GlobalIndian   
Member since: Apr 07
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Location: NB

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 17-04-08 07:48:07

Maestro Sagardeep: Not sure how long you lived outside India but your sentences keep missing things! LOL From your post you certainly don't sound like you made up your mind. I fail to see what it is that you expect your kids to gain from the short exposure to India or its culture. What is wrong with the culture here (Canada)? Afterall, they are born here and will have to find their place in this society. Even if you or some other parent removes them to India when they are in the middle or high school, they may not turn into the kind of Indian you were or may not pick up the kind of traditional values you might wish. On the other hand, India itself is growing through such rapid changes that it now appears there is little difference between there and here in the way young people are behaving. I hope all your emphasis is not restricted to the sexual mores. Differences even in that area are being leveled.



Gapodi   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 17-04-08 13:25:31

Quote:
Originally posted by GlobalIndian

Maestro Sagardeep: Not sure how long you lived outside India but your sentences keep missing things! LOL From your post you certainly don't sound like you made up your mind. I fail to see what it is that you expect your kids to gain from the short exposure to India or its culture. What is wrong with the culture here (Canada)? Afterall, they are born here and will have to find their place in this society. Even if you or some other parent removes them to India when they are in the middle or high school, they may not turn into the kind of Indian you were or may not pick up the kind of traditional values you might wish. On the other hand, India itself is growing through such rapid changes that it now appears there is little difference between there and here in the way young people are behaving. I hope all your emphasis is not restricted to the sexual mores. Differences even in that area are being leveled.



leveled ?????????
did you say leveled?
which world do you live in my friend?
have you been to any hotel recently in big cities in India...or on those naughty Indian message boards
You have no idea how colorful the scene is over there now.
It will take at least, i repeat, at least two decades for Canada to catch up with whats going on there. I wish I could go back to school for some "refreshing" time.....in India of course
I don't know why people always freeze their mind in time when they think of a place left behind several years ago. The world did not stop spinning all those years and the same is true about places they leave behind.



febpreet   
Member since: Jan 07
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 17-04-08 16:33:41

Quote:
Originally posted by Gapodi

Quote:
Originally posted by GlobalIndian

Maestro Sagardeep: Not sure how long you lived outside India but your sentences keep missing things! LOL From your post you certainly don't sound like you made up your mind. I fail to see what it is that you expect your kids to gain from the short exposure to India or its culture. What is wrong with the culture here (Canada)? Afterall, they are born here and will have to find their place in this society. Even if you or some other parent removes them to India when they are in the middle or high school, they may not turn into the kind of Indian you were or may not pick up the kind of traditional values you might wish. On the other hand, India itself is growing through such rapid changes that it now appears there is little difference between there and here in the way young people are behaving. I hope all your emphasis is not restricted to the sexual mores. Differences even in that area are being leveled.



leveled ?????????
did you say leveled?
which world do you live in my friend?
have you been to any hotel recently in big cities in India...or on those naughty Indian message boards
You have no idea how colorful the scene is over there now.
It will take at least, i repeat, at least two decades for Canada to catch up with whats going on there. I wish I could go back to school for some "refreshing" time.....in India of course
I don't know why people always freeze their mind in time when they think of a place left behind several years ago. The world did not stop spinning all those years and the same is true about places they leave behind.



I think the same way sometimes actually. Kids in India are really enjoying their time and having fun these days;). Trust me guys, India has changed a lot, and become more westernized. Heard about DPS scandel (and there are more if you believe)? My cousins over here were really amazed, and trust me they are born and brought up in Canada/US. Noone can guarantee that kids raised in India will follow their culture and tradition and remain on the straight way.

It all zeros on the environment at home and the type of upbringing parents impart upon their offsprings. Country has nothing to do with it.

All this talk looks good when you are living outside India. Grass is always greener on the other side.



Fido   
Member since: Aug 06
Posts: 5286
Location: Canada

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 17-04-08 21:32:38

Guys ,

East is east and west is west and never the twain shall meet ...

To me your argument appears like ' hey these days the latest cars are in India - with so many cars on the road Indians have more cars than Europeans on an average '

How much proportion of India's population comes under the above category ?? What about the other 90% population which lives in smaller cities ??

1 DPS case became a scandal and that would not even be an eyebrow raiser here in Canada ............. please try to project reality - do you have any solid statistics to back your claims or is it just personal experience ??

India and the society is by far still far more conservative than the West . You do not have 90% teens having sex and 80% live in relationships like here . There is no meaning of the word marriage / family here for a majority .


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febpreet   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 18-04-08 01:01:16

Quote:
Originally posted by Fido

Guys ,

East is east and west is west and never the twain shall meet ...

To me your argument appears like ' hey these days the latest cars are in India - with so many cars on the road Indians have more cars than Europeans on an average '

How much proportion of India's population comes under the above category ?? What about the other 90% population which lives in smaller cities ??

1 DPS case became a scandal and that would not even be an eyebrow raiser here in Canada ............. please try to project reality - do you have any solid statistics to back your claims or is it just personal experience ??

India and the society is by far still far more conservative than the West . You do not have 90% teens having sex and 80% live in relationships like here . There is no meaning of the word marriage / family here for a majority .



DPS scandel - agreed. But, don't you think these type of things never existed before and gradually the cities' culture is becoming more culturally polluted? It's actually reality and not just scandel. Whatever happened was very much a fact and is a picture of changing India. I am not a statistician to base everything on figures. Some things are apparent to eyes than merely reading in books or polls/surveys.

Yes, Indian society is conservative as compared to the West. However, as I said earlier India is gradually changing and very much adopting western culture. Unfortunately, all the negative aspects. Couples do live in relationships, having an opposite sex room-mate in Delhi, Mumbai, and other metropolitans is not uncommon these days. I agree that India is a lot more small town than metropolitans, but even small towners are acting like Westerners these days.

But, as you said, east is east and west is west. Both shalt never meet.
However, the bottom line is that India is changing fast Culturally and socially.



Fido   
Member since: Aug 06
Posts: 5286
Location: Canada

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 18-04-08 06:21:02

I agree to that completely that social values are not what they used to be esp in the young hip crowd ------ but when I compare it to Canada I find this sexual freedom and associated problems to be a lot less .... a LOT . And thats because of social values which dictate whats acceptable and whats not ..... here people do not mind if teenagers have sex or people are in live in relnships but in India its still socially un acceptable (even in metros ) and that ensures that such cases become exceptions and not the norm .

Same is with drugs - I recall in 1987 ish when drugs had begun to make inroads to India but with serials like 'Subah' and the social denouncing it beat a hasty retreat ........... unlike here where its commonplace and few object .

I wonder how much insulated from this environment can we raise our kids in - something which we value in our parents and the society we were brought up in .


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puttoo   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 18-04-08 08:56:15

Quote:
Originally posted by Fido

How much proportion of India's population comes under the above category ?? What about the other 90% population which lives in smaller cities ??

1 DPS case became a scandal and that would not even be an eyebrow raiser here in Canada ............. please try to project reality - do you have any solid statistics to back your claims or is it just personal experience ??

India and the society is by far still far more conservative than the West . You do not have 90% teens having sex and 80% live in relationships like here . There is no meaning of the word marriage / family here for a majority .



You might be right about a major population not being in this category (though i might not agree with the 90% figure) ..... but then we ARE only comparing life in Canada with that 10% or whatever of India's population. After all if i were to return to India, i would not live in Kalhandi (which has no recorded case of tennage sex in 3000 year history). I would be living in a major metro, where the lifestyle is changing so fast that you cannot comprehend.

As for your figures on tennage sex ....... well seems you are asking others to provide data for their argument but you can pull out figures out of thin air. Fortunately the problem of tennage sex is considered a problem in Canada and it is being monitored and studied. Here are some figures for you http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2005/05/03/teenage-sex050503.html. Though it is dated but it gives you an idea on what the figures are .... it is 13-14% for younger ages and about 28% for age 17.




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