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Yeah I understand that you aren’t giving the info out for your own benefit. However, good advice doesn’t necessarily appeal to the average desi. They’re far more receptive to the next ‘conspiracy theory’ or allegations of racism. That’s what gets the show going! It’s a lot easier for people to look around for excuses, than look at themselves and understand and do something about their weaknesses.

Coming back to the communication skills issue that you’ve talked about repeatedly. When I first did that, there were tons of posts to dispute it, saying that “communication skills were absolutely unnecessary to get a job in Canada”. One contributor asked if “getting an English masters degree from a Canadian university” would be the answer to the job concerns of all sub-continental immigrants………….

I guess I started out with a similar intent to ‘help’ people with information based on my own experience as an immigrant. A futile exercise………that’s what I meant by my ‘been-there-done-that’ comment.

BTW, I’ve sent you a PM.....

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Das, Your intent and your efforts are indeed commendable. Unfortunately, there are some limitations to providing advice to new Canadian immigrants from the sub-continent, some quick thoughts.

1. Adaptability - Most ‘desis’ seriously lack the ability to adapt. They are determined to re-create an India wherever they land, rather than understanding the culture of their new home and becoming a part of it. The attitude shows itself up in different forms. One example (just an example) is most immigrants would rather follow a cricket match in faraway India, rather than learn something about the Leafs and hockey in Canada. What could have been a good conversation starter or ice-breaker at the office or socially, is invariably lost. (of course now I’m going to have the next 20 posters asking me if knowledge of ice-hockey is needed to get a job in Canada, but that just shows their inability to ‘get-the-point’). Perhaps Canada’s view of itself as a ‘mosaic’ rather than a ‘melting pot’ is to blame for this lack of adaptability, if you know what I mean.

2. Language – You’ve highlighted the fact that ‘desis’ don’t proof read their Resumes. While I agree, you have to look beyond that to the use of words and pronounciation at an interview. However, when you tell ‘desis’ that they need to remove regional influences from their language, they interpret it as meaning that a phony accent is ‘required’. The result ends up sounding worse than the original. The bloke then comes back to a forum such as this one, frustrated and starts venting with all sorts of irrational comments. Some go back to wherever they came from (either India or the Middle East) and continue to post irrational negative comments, looking for assurance that they made the ‘right’ decision by leaving Canada. Another new immigrant picks up on the venting, starts to ‘assume’ that Canada has ‘NO’ work that is suitable for him, gets into a dead-end job and the cycle continues.

3. At the workplace – For those that do get hired: most stick to a desi crowd. I have 2 at my workplace and they hang around together, seemingly most comfortable when they talk to each other in Hindi. They make no attempt to hang out with the other folks. Toronto can be an amazing place, with a variety of cultures, but ‘desis’ have this cultural superiority complex, afraid that they’ll lose their own ‘culture’ if they associate with anyone else.

I hate to say that I’ve ‘been-there-done-that’, but good luck to you!

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DAS-FX,
May I suggest : Pls ignore this troll - Prabhu.
He has said he is leaving for Australia in the previous thread.
I am sure if he is around this thread will also become "dead" with arguements and abuses.



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Orginally posted by prabhub

Hai Das_fx,
Nice Thread. I donot accept some of the points expressed in this thread but to keep the objective of the thread going on, i leave you in peace.
Good luck and thanks for the thread and the info. in it

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All that advice is good, but even if you did all that and had all those skills (soft and hard) it wont do any good if there is no job. Canada will not create a Job for you just because there is a person waiting in the line with such and such skill. Canada and Ontario especially is heavily manufacturing based. So the most jobs are going to be Blue Collar. With 1000s of immigrants coming in Every year I see it as almost impossible that all of them will find work in their field. I would go ahead and say a significant number wont. That would mean only one thing. Take up work other than you are qualified for.
And I see it everyday at my work place.

Perhaps the solution is to curtail immigration or change the rules to allow in more True Blue collar workers and not white collar workers who end up doing that. Perhaps the economy is just not that big to absorb so many qualified folks.

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If you looks at it that way, Soft Skills are a must anywhere you go.
And any part of life. Yes Internet forums too...

If you have the jobs and the supply of Labor is low then all these issues go to the backburner.

If a company needs 10 people and has only 10 people (5 with Good soft skills and 5 with not so good) to fill up the vacancies then Do you think its going to wait till the next 5 people with the right soft skills show up? Or take all 10 of them?

If it has less than 10 people, then it might actually take up people with not so good technical and soft skills and maybe train them.

That is IF the company wants to get the work done and not leave the vancancy as it is. It seems like canadian companies might be willing to do just this.

If there were far more than 10 people applying for that job,
then all these factors come into play.

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