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Originally posted by Fido
I agree to that completely that social values are not what they used to be esp in the young hip crowd ------ but when I compare it to Canada I find this sexual freedom and associated problems to be a lot less .... a LOT . And thats because of social values which dictate whats acceptable and whats not ..... here people do not mind if teenagers have sex or people are in live in relnships but in India its still socially un acceptable (even in metros ) and that ensures that such cases become exceptions and not the norm .
Same is with drugs - I recall in 1987 ish when drugs had begun to make inroads to India but with serials like 'Subah' and the social denouncing it beat a hasty retreat ........... unlike here where its commonplace and few object .
I wonder how much insulated from this environment can we raise our kids in - something which we value in our parents and the society we were brought up in .
Fido, I couldn't agree with you more. However, as far as raising our kids is concern then what I have experienced even in Canada is it entirely depands upon your home environment and parents. I have most of my family living in Toronto/Vancouver. The kids that I have seen are most valued and cultured. They are Docs and Engineers and even in their 30s living with their parents/grandparents. It's all in the way one is brought up and educated.
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Posted on: 18-04-08 16:12:04
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Originally posted by Fido
Same is with drugs - I recall in 1987 ish when drugs had begun to make inroads to India but with serials like 'Subah' and the social denouncing it beat a hasty retreat ........... unlike here where its commonplace and few object .
Here is an April 19, 2008 article on illegal drug proliferation in Chennai.
http://www.hindu.com/2008/04/19/stories/2008041952200300.htm
Yep, it is Apr 19 in India right now.
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Originally posted by Fido
Same is with drugs - I recall in 1987 ish when drugs had begun to make inroads to India but with serials like 'Subah' and the social denouncing it beat a hasty retreat ........... unlike here where its commonplace and few object .
This is probably true if you were the kind who has not been there and done that. Remember that reality is based on perception which is different depending on what you are exposed to.
You have no clue what goes on in the metroes and have probably been insulated from it all your life. I can prove you wrong on many counts if you met my friends who now run dispensaries (doctors) in the slums of Mumbai but were once devoted to more hallucinogenic pursuits as interns. So were my engineer buddies who used their ingenuity for different apparatus and fine tuned delivery methods. And this during the 'subah' time...we used to laugh at it for some of the inaccuracies presented within.
The last I heard from there things are at a whole new level there w.r.t all these as far as the next gen is concerned.
Dont get me wrong I would not condone drug where my kids are concerned but, not everyone who drinks alcohol becomes an alcoholic and not everyone who uses drugs casually become drug addicts.
Take it from me..you have no clue. Ask my avataar. Aint supposed to be tobacco hes smokin
Also many of the 'drugs' used across the metroes are not ones that use syringes
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/752024.cms
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Originally posted by puttoo
You might be right about a major population not being in this category (though i might not agree with the 90% figure) ..... but then we ARE only comparing life in Canada with that 10% or whatever of India's population. After all if i were to return to India, i would not live in Kalhandi (which has no recorded case of tennage sex in 3000 year history). I would be living in a major metro, where the lifestyle is changing so fast that you cannot comprehend.
I dont think this fact has hit Fido yet. I think Fido is expecting a upper class lifestyle in Indian metroes devoid of sex, drugs etc amongst the youth of that segment. One could only expect that if one was not exposed to such lifestyle.
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As for your figures on tennage sex ....... well seems you are asking others to provide data for their argument but you can pull out figures out of thin air.
You noticed it too
. We are probably too obtuse to understand that line of reasoning.I would LOVE to see Fido provide half the links you have provided to make his case about how 'rare' sex/drugs et all are among the affluent kids in Indian Society. Unless like you mentioned people from Canada are thinking of moving to some remote/conservative area of India to make sure that they insulate their kids from all things they consider vile and immoral.
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And just why should I take it from you ?? Are you a statesman , a person of great imminence or intellect or a god forsaken person who cares a damn as to what his teenage children do with their sex lives ???
Remember - there are all kinds of people in the society but it is determined by the majority what the rules are and whats right and whats not . You may continue laughing at others but drugs were shunned in Indian society and college going people in late 80s and even today drugs is not an in thing .
Look around here - not with all but with a much greater number drugs is just another habit ---- and my observation is based on the news I read and hear both from here and India . I am not sure of your sources though .
Rather than trust you , I would trust my more than 2 decades of living in India and the metros and still visiting . Maybe our circles are different . You perhaps belong to the upper echelon of the society which remains partying kinds and do not care whether their children are having drugs or sex - I would prefer to be amongst the slightly lower professional category who don't drink , have excessive parties and care for the well being , character and habits of their children ............. I wonder which class would you place Narayanmurthy in if you know a little bit about him.... not in your 'high class' certainly.
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Fido.
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Originally posted by Fido
You perhaps belong to the upper echelon of the society which remains partying kinds and do not care whether their children are having drugs or sex - I would prefer to be amongst the slightly lower professional category who don't drink , have excessive parties and care for the well being , character and habits of their children ............. I wonder which class would you place Narayanmurthy in if you know a little bit about him.... not in your 'high class' certainly.
Relax man! You'll get an ulcer.
Forget about my echelon status and my social circles
Narayanmurthy would have probably been the same person it canada as he is in India....you talk about exceptions when its convenient to you only. Anyway thats beside the point.
Here is a recap.
1st Fact: Most people who move from Canada to India would end up living in upperclass areas to enjoy same level of comforts as they are used to. Fido mentioned as much in his posts.
2nd Fact: Fido said he wants to earn enough to go to india and live in an upperclass area in gated community and away from 'mainstream'
3rd Fact: Fido cites conservative attitudes of Indian society as far as drugs and sex among youth are concerned as the topmost reasons to going back to India.
Fact: Fido provides 90% and 80% numbers out of thin air to substantiate his claims. No links provided to back up the thin air numbers
Fact: Putoo myself and others posted enough data that fact 2 cannot be reconciled with fact 3 at current time or foreseeable future in India. There is even more data if Fido cares to see.
So Fido lets make this relevant to the thread and the average Canadian desi who is moving back to India. Can you enjoy the same comforts of a middle class life in Canada if you live in a middle class life in India? Would you have to move and live in a different segment of society to enjoy same levels of comfort? Wouldnt you also be likely to settle in a metro area to enjoy the same type of amenities including childrens education? If yes then can you provide data to show that sex and drugs are not an issue in that specific segment of society and metro area.
Here is another link to validate my claims.
http://www.mcphate.com/clips/youth.htm
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