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Posted on: 30-12-04 11:08:17
So many opinions and beliefs!!!!!!!!!!!!. Let me express my opinion/reactions about the answers I got. All the statements that I now make are IMHO (In my humble opinion). I have full respects to thoughts of other participants in this discussion, and have no intentions of offending/ridiculing anybody's ideas
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Geeta very clearly says not to eat meat....in actual words, it says no for "masanhar"....none of the hindu litterature specifies this for only Brahmins...it is for all human beings who believes in Ahinsa
I think Geeta might be preaching non-vegetarianism in a very specific context. There might be some verses preceding/following the verses that preach vegetarianism. Remember, both the preacher, Lord Krishna and the "preachee" Arjun were Kshatriyas, and may be meat-eaters
I think Hinduism is a very lenient religion, as it does not say "NO" to anything (well, it does not preach corruption/crime/sinful behaviour).
Ahinsa, I feel, is a Jain influence. In this specific case, it would be worthwhile to separate Hinduism and Jainism, and then find out the origin of vegetarianism.
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as per hinduism we should very strongly believe in Ahinsa...I am sure other religions also preaches non-violence. To be able to follow non-violence and other great values of hinduism you have to have "SATVIK" aahar...eating meat and drinking liquor is considered to be "NON SATVIK" or in other words "TAMSIK". These practices cultivate bad thoughts in our minds and makes you do wrong things. If you develop the habit of eating vegetables and fruits wch is considered "SATVIK" you can follow the principles of non-violence much easily.
I hope that you are not confusing Hinduism, Jainism and thoughts of Mahatma Gandhi. Why would Hinduism preach non-violence?
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2,How you know hinduism,not object to eating meat,i recomond you to read BHAGVAD GITA AS IT IS(translated in english by AC Bhaktivedant swami) best known hidus holy book,,,,which iam also reading ...it is clear written in Bhagvdgita,if you practicing vaishnav dharm(hinduism)
any TAMOGUNI food not allowed,including meat,egg,fish,Alcohol etc etc.
Again, where and why does Geeta refer to "rajogun/tamogun". Again, if it says that if you practice Hinduism, you are not allowed to eat meat. But most of non-Brahmins eat meat.
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1.Dif. between “Satwik” and “Tamsik” food, Achar and Vichar.
2.Satwik food will help develop Satwik Vichar therefore one would tend towards God.
3.It is really cruel and heinous to slaughter innocent animals/fish etc., whatever it is just for taste.
Statements of Reachash, Manasvi and Practickm are not simple opinions but based on great theories which were propounded by our Rishi/Munis.
All these thoughts were propagated when Jainism came into existence. This thoughts might be relevant, say 2500 years ago. How relevant they are in modern world?
When we think of meat-eaters, we think only of western world. What about the rest of Asia. What about Chinese and Japanese people. They too are meat eaters, and seem to be very healthy and live long. Ultimately, it also depends upon what else comprises your diet.
"Jeevo Jeevasya Bhakshanam" - A Sanskrit saying which means that a living being is a prey of another living being. So why is mankind prohibited from following that statement? Just because we have a brain that thoughts and reasons? Just because we are able to differentiate between good and bad, between moral and immoral behaviour? In that case, why would our killing of animals for food be considered as immoral behaviour? We are just satisfying our basic need.
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4.One can live more then 100 yrs being vegetarian. Plants/ vegetables /grains etc are necessary to eat for survival.
5.Scientifically human body is not fit for non-veg.
6.Non-veg could be a reason of thousands of illness. Science has proved it.
This statements are debatable. Compare the life expectancy in a modern society between a developed country, say Canada and India. Many factors affect the longevity of person. Sanitary living conditions, lifestyle, stress, pollution etc. etc.
After being in Canada since last few years, I feel that people hear need meat as much as we need wheat/rice/vegetable as a part of our basic diet. Me, as an example, cannot survive one day without eating roti/bread/wheat. In same way, meat is a basic necessity for meat eaters.
I am still bit confused about Christianity preaching mercy towards other life forms, but does not in theory preaches vegetarianism. But the Catholics do not eat meat during Lent.
I find it bit sarcastic, that in Canada, you can be penalized for showing cruelty towards animals, but at same time, you can kill them for your food.
Also, how many of us would not eat meat, just because our religion prevents it, versus making vegetarianism our personal choice? I fall in later category. I have not tasted meat and I do not feel like switching to eating meat. Somtimes, I fall into very awkward position during company lunches - I feel like a square peg in round hole. Sometimes, I find myself hungry or unsatisfied as I have to survive on salads and desserts.
But I think there is a difference between Indians who eat meat and rest of the world. Indians who are meat eaters can still be satisfied with a veg. diet. They do not eat meat all the time. While I have seen other people who have to have meat anytime.
Just my thoughts
Meghal
It is really an interesting topic. Because I had seen most of the vegeterian people using leather jacket, belts, shoes etc. More than that most of them using toilet soap made from beef tallow.
If the person is really a vegeterian , he/she has to avoid all these things.
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Both - culture is simply a superstructure for the religion.
There can be a separate debate about this statement.
Culture, I think, is a dynamic entity, that changes from time to time, generation to generation. It is influenced by external factors.
Take, for example, Indian culture, as we say. I think that our beliefs/traditions/rituals may be heavily influenced by external factors, such as say Muslim influnce bought by Mughal/Arab rulers.
Modern Hindi, we speak is a mixture of Hindi and Urdu. We normally do not speak shuddh Hindi as spoken by many BJP leaders.
Or as one of my Pakistani colleauges stated, that qawali was a Hindu influence, as Islam does not permit music.
I recently recevied an article, where a writer from Pakistan was worried about increasing Bollywood influence on marriages in Pakistan. People have started having those dances before wedding day
In my native Bhuj, we have a huge procession during Muharrum called "Tajiyas". Again,this is a Hindu influence, and not practiced in Arabic countries.
In that case, it would be interesting to find out, why celibacy is still preached by many modern Hindu religious heads. Because Hinduism does not advocates/preaches celibacy. Do you think it might be a Christian influence? None of our mythological figures (except Bhishma) is a celibate. In fact, it is acknowledged as one of our basic need.
Meghal
I might be repeating somethings but consider the influence of harrapan culture...
Old Vedic culture and even sometime after that is a mix of Existing Harrapan culture and people coming in from the north West (they always came from there , didnt they??). What we know as the ARYAN invasion, if one might call it as that. Or you could just say that people came in and settled in northern parts of India.
That Aryan culture is derived from Central Asia, where it is highly probable that they were meat eaters (Cold Weather being one of the reasons).
So initially Those people must not have been vegetarian. I can only guess that the Harrapan culture must have been Vegetarian, And we know It iinfluenced ancient indian a lot. Along with the need to Keep alive more and more animals for milk and the availability of all types of vegetables in a more warmer Indian climate, meat eating tooka back seat.
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Orginally posted by meghal
Or as one of my Pakistani colleauges stated, that qawali was a Hindu influence, as Islam does not permit music.
Meghal
You are right about the Qawwali.
http://makar-records.com/siteus/frameecole.html
"Qawwali is an Indian Sufi Muslim musical concept expressed in many poetical styles, and based on the classical structure of tala and raga.
A melting-pot of many influences, qawwali is the meeting point of Islam and Hinduism, making use of the repertoire of the Arab and Coranic qaul, of Persian poetry, of Indo persian ghazal and at last but not least of the Hindu bhajan."
But mistaken about that music is not allowed in Islam. coudl you quote any references. IS it explicitly banned by the sciptures or Just a cultural thing in certain areas of the world (e.g. Saudi arabaia). I have lived in an Arab country and they sang and danced like we would never imgaine inIndia (and that too men and women together).
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In Canada if you eat outide your food or the cook has surely come in contact with beef or pork so there is no pure vegeterianism if you had meals cooked outside home.
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Orginally posted by Loser
In Canada if you eat outide your food or the cook has surely come in contact with beef or pork so there is no pure vegeterianism if you had meals cooked outside home.
That is flexibility of hinduism
I love fries with gravy and recently I got educated that gravy is made out of beef
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