Why do all Professionals want to come to Canada?
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Posted on: 26-10-04 09:15:31
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Orginally posted by DiogenestheCynic
Hell, why don't we take a poll of the desis on this board itself. What their qualifications are, when they arrived and what jobs they did in the past and for how long, and what jobs they are in at the moment. That will give everyone a "real" picture of the situation here.
From the polls of the past, the nearest to the issue of discussion is "What is most difficult thing to get in Canada?" and a full 79.5% have answered "Getting a job in own field". The sample size though is only 811. Rather than bicker and squabble, I think it is time to set up anothe poll and encourage people to participate.
Diogenes.....you had already raised this question under your previous alias of Wisernow.
A poll already exists on this website.
Respondents were asked how long it took them to find a job that matched their qualificaitons:
26% said they never got a job that matched their qualifications
18% said within one month
13% said they didn't get a job even after getting Canadian qualifications
11% said within 3 months
10.5% said within 6 months
8% said within 1 year
8% said within 2 years
4.5% said they got a job but had to get Canadian qualifications.
Results were based on 582 responses.
I had already provided you with a summary of these responses when you went by your old alias of Wisernow!
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Orginally posted by crenshaw
I had already provided you with a summary of these responses when you went by your old alias of Wisernow!
Can you please provide me the link to the post where you provided me with the summary? I don't seem to be able to find it.
The poll that you mention is rather old and as I said, the sample size is even smaller. To get a more realistic picture the poll needs to be conducted again and with questions framed that provide a clearer picture of the situaion here. Any particular reason why you are averse to another poll?
To the mods/admins: Is what I suggest possible?
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Orginally posted by crenshaw
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Orginally posted by Manasvi
Jago_desi - those comments go for you too. You may live in a building where a majority of engineers work in menial jobs, does not mean that’s the case in all of Canada.
Have you travelled all across Canada to know the situation?
Have you ever considered the possibility that engineers around you accept menial jobs because they assume that’s the only thing that’s possible after hearing your comments?
Bottomline is there are no reliable numbers around as to how many professionals work in labour jobs, certainly not by ethnic origin. Trying to sensationalize it by throwing numbers like 80% / 70% / 50% etc, is unsubstantiated and patently unfair!
OK, I accept your argument. Please tell us how many professionals work in field job. When we talk of 200000 or more immigrants coming in every year, the number of professional working in their field has to be substential and not your or my guess work.
I have traveled within Ontaria, it is tough to get first opportunity as an immigrant. Only if a company dares enough to give you a breake thru, your opportunity doors open. You have lots of company ready to accept this very professional immigrant who was earlier knocking on their doors for a entry level job. That proves the fact that Canada do need experienced professional but some how companies have a mind block to take you in as a professional with technology, skills and talent.
I do have live examples. But for you it may be resrticted to my building or my house. The buildings you degrade for a sample or judgement survey, mind it maximum new immigrants land up in these building and no other place will be better then these buildings for survey or get a general idea of the situtation prevailing in Canada.
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Orginally posted by DiogenestheCynic
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Orginally posted by crenshaw
I had already provided you with a summary of these responses when you went by your old alias of Wisernow!
Can you please provide me the link to the post where you provided me with the summary? I don't seem to be able to find it.
The poll that you mention is rather old and as I said, the sample size is even smaller. To get a more realistic picture the poll needs to be conducted again and with questions framed that provide a clearer picture of the situaion here. Any particular reason why you are averse to another poll?
To the mods/admins: Is what I suggest possible?
I'm not against the poll. Its just that we already have one in place and a number of your posts suggest that we do not.
Of course the side of this issue is that the current poll has a fair number of responses (582 in total). The risk with having a new poll is that people with multiple aliases could vote twice and skew its results........
Your previous post on this subject (as Wisernow) and my reply are both on page 10 of this thread.
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Orginally posted by DiogenestheCynic
Hell, why don't we take a poll of the desis on this board itself. What their qualifications are, when they arrived and what jobs they did in the past and for how long, and what jobs they are in at the moment. That will give everyone a "real" picture of the situation here.
From the polls of the past, the nearest to the issue of discussion is "What is most difficult thing to get in Canada?" and a full 79.5% have answered "Getting a job in own field". The sample size though is only 811. Rather than bicker and squabble, I think it is time to set up anothe poll and encourage people to participate.
Not agree with this type of POLL.
Most of the desi who visiting this website have a good or field job and very few desi (doing labour job) are participating or visiting this web site. So how can we relie on the result of poll.
I know many desi who doing labour job has no time to visit even internet.
Please dont ask me why?
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Orginally posted by jago_desi
OK, I accept your argument. Please tell us how many professionals work in field job. When we talk of 200000 or more immigrants coming in every year, the number of professional working in their field has to be substential and not your or my guess work.
Lets go back to my first statement JD. I have already said that there are no reliable statistics. I'm not engaging in any guess work. I have referred to the results of a poll conducted on this website, the results have been tabulated in my response to Diogenes / Wisernow in the post above. The results of these polls, however, reflect only the views of visitors to this website.
When you talk of 200,000 new immigrants in a year, don’t forget that those include dependent family members as well. Therefore, all 200,000 do not enter the workforce immediately.
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Orginally posted by jago_desi
I have traveled within Ontaria, it is tough to get first opportunity as an immigrant. Only if a company dares enough to give you a breake thru, your opportunity doors open. You have lots of company ready to accept this very professional immigrant who was earlier knocking on their doors for a entry level job. That proves the fact that Canada do need experienced professional but some how companies have a mind block to take you in as a professional with technology, skills and talent.
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Orginally posted by jago_desi
I do have live examples. But for you it may be resrticted to my building or my house. The buildings you degrade for a sample or judgement survey, mind it maximum new immigrants land up in these building and no other place will be better then these buildings for survey or get a general idea of the situtation prevailing in Canada.
Do all / substantial majority of new immigrants come to live in the buildings around you? If even 10% of new immigrants were to come to live in the buildings around you, those buildings would need to have a capacity of 20,000 people! In any event for the people who do, I’m sure hearing all of your sob stories, it makes it a lot easier for those people to assume that things are really bad in Canada and take up menial jobs when they could have planned and got into something better.
What with it being Ramadan and not having much to do during lunch break, I called Rotman’s and spoke to the concerned people. They did confirm that some people came from The Economist(TE) not only this year, but last year as well. They weren’t overly concerned that they didn’t make TE’s grade as they make it in so many other surveys.
When I mentioned that only one school in Japan made the grade, they laughed and said (direct quote) “ I leave it upto you to decide what you wish about The Economist’s intelligence unit” (end direct quote). So CDs I also leave it up to you.
Even though I tell many prospective immigrants to visit your site to learn about the harsh initial realities, I caution them not to pay attention to the %ages. I have an extended family of over 60 adults here, incl my wife’s relations and mine. Leaving aside the entrepreneur immigrants, every last one myself incl came here and worked in jobs not related to our expertise. However within 2-3 years after getting the necessary qualification, everyone is in their field or in very related fileds. There may be one or two who took the entrepreneur route, like my MBA pass cousin (that too from a Can school) who now owns a successful trucking business and lives in a million dollar home.
I will agree that there are a number who are still languishing in odd jobs even after 3 years here (not from my extended family as we now prop each other up, I was the first to come here and had to fend on my own but that was 11 years ago and times were not so tough then in my opinion, even though I did do a factory job at the outset), and that the number is significant enough to be brought up in newspapers, but nowhere have I seen what percentage. Recently I read in the TS that there are about 1000 overseas qualified doctors here who are not integrated into the system. I don’t know what %age that represents, but the absolute number itself is significant enough. Even unemployed Can qualified nurses are getting a lot of attention because there is no funding to take them in, even though they are desperately needed, and they instead work as waitresses, etc. But that is a question of economics…
Incidentally, my wife’s family from India is in the leather business. Even though they were well off in India, her brothers came here and in 7 years built their leather business into a multi-million dollar one. You can well imagine how they love this country. Very big potential as a liaison for US and South and Central America markets
There is also Michael Li-Chin from Jamaica who founded and nurtured AIC mutual funds and Sam Bouji from Egypt who founded Global RESP(punch in their names in google.ca and find out)
Desimisri
PS. There are many success stories. There is a South Asian Conference at Airport Road this Sat. Perhaps some would care to go there to find out. Mingle with as BKB says “uppers”.
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