Why do all Professionals want to come to Canada?
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Posted on: 19-10-04 02:12:22
Crenshaw , J3D & Daks ,
GM and valuable inputs by u all .Appreciate it .
No I havent decided to return .I am still in the deciding phase planning to re-enter finally in 2006 .Carefully assessing the situation as per my own standards to quote J3D.
I had a mindset before I landed Toranto last year . I came in for a 'feeler' visit .I did not search for jobs . Just observed as much as I could met and inquired of every person I met as per the situatioin . Either at get togethers ,Malls or elsewhere (Phil Nathan Aquare) --- just bumped into ppl while taking pics and inquired .
Sadly they seemed to substantiate the mindset formed . Talked with a couple of acquaintances who have been in Canada for a while and although a small sample but they confirmed on the not-so-good economy (job wise). Professionals who were doing well in India were doing odd jobs here and due to hanging-in-the-middle reasons werent ready to return . I did come across to people who made it big but again they had pumped in a lot of money .
Daks when I say 4% I refer to the CAs being the best Accountants (correct me if I am wrong) and the pass rate of 4-5 %.
Also AED 5k may be the lower salary for an expereinced CA average being around AED 8- 9 K which comes to USD 2.4 K (without tax) .Pre Tax it would be USD 3.5k*12 = USD 42K which in Emirates as per cheaper living gives a comfortable life .
And how many of Indian CAs can shell out approx INR 100K (all costs inclusive) to take a CPA test in the hope that when he lands Canada he may get a job based on this .On top of that the Visa permission is doubtful . I came across a guy who had a confirmed admission to an accredited Univ but was refused Visa .
The underlying question is ----- Can it be assumed that 7/10
professionals who land Canada end up doing odd jobs for a period of 1 to 2 years which is enough to corrode their sequence of pro expereience . ?? The numbers is what I seek and they hold the key .
Manasvi.
Blue Lobster / Creshaw/Daks ..........
Finally I got someone to agree that 'Qualification / Knowledge / capability' is not the criteria to make money or to be successful in life.....
My previous bosses were incompetent and had not seen University.......
But they were drawing handsome salary and were Successful in life.....
Deep
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well if SF message had no profanity then you should have left it.....Too personal?? let me decide and reply.....
Still waiting....BL.
This is not about SF (much as he might like to think so).....The question is why are you pulling the trigger so often and as a Mod shouldnt you be Just Moderating and not taking sides....Again I hope you dont take it badly....Thanks.
Pulling the trigger so often? I asked SF to edit one of his posts, not delete it. And that's exactly what he did. How's that pulling the trigger too foten?
And where am I taking sides? As a member of the forum, I am expressing MY opinion on topics I feel strongly about. If they belong to one side, then so be it.
I do not take sides when it comes to moderating (if you can give me some examples, that'd be great. If I've made mistakes in the past, I'm all for fixing them). I deleted Wisernow's post (which was along the lines of what you feel) and edited SF's response (which was diametrically opposite). In both the cases, the idea was to maintain the decorum of the forum and stay in tune with the topic at hand rather than indulging egos.
Or are you talking about faltu funda aka tranquiliser aka LAN aka Wonder_ballon aka so many other ids. This guy can't write one thing straight and all he can do is start making personal accussations when someone opposes his views. (i.e. When Chandresh says Rogers service works good for him, Chandresh becomes a Rogers employee. And when Crenshaw and BL and MI agree on something, they become the same person. Maybe this idiot does not know that there are many people here who've personally met me and MI. And that Crenshaw is CA and I don't know the first thing about accounting. Are you saying I'm pulling the trigger too often because I'm deleting his posts?
Let me remind you that the purpose of this forum is NOT to engage in misleading rants nor personal attacks, it is educate and inform. There are dozens upon dozens of posts that highlight the negative aspects of Canada on the forum, you’ve been on this forum long enough to know. I haven’t touched a SINGLE post there, I’ve only expressed my opinions as replies, that's all.
But there is no room on this forum for people like FF who’re simply here to stir the pot and peddle nonsense. Because people like that don’t realize that there are ACTUAL people sitting in India going through the forum at this moment who’ve been waiting with so much anticipation for their immigration applications to come through. And its heartbreak for them to read comments like “Canada mei to kutte ki zindagi hai” etc etc that may amount to nothing more than a time-pass egotistical exercise for the poster. It’s a pretty cruel way to inflict your ego upon someone who’s looking up to you for guidance. Add to this the fact that people like these create multiple aliases to further their point, its really disgusting. And I won’t allow it! Kapish!
So let's get back to discussing and quit the finger-pointing.;
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Blue Lobster / Creshaw/Daks ..........
Finally I got someone to agree that 'Qualification / Knowledge / capability' is not the criteria to make money or to be successful in life.....
My previous bosses were incompetent and had not seen University.......
But they were drawing handsome salary and were Successful in life.....
Deep
Don't know how you derived that form the discussion. But anyways, let's say Qualifiication is the brandname, knowledge is the technology and capability is the engine of a Ferrari. And the Ferrari is sitting in the parking lot today.
You check the Ferrari 10 days later. Its still in the parking lot. 2 years later, probably still there (unless it was stolen
)Do I need to tell you that its missing a driver?
I don't care much for qualifications, but knowledge and capability are critical in your ability to execute upon a job. However to get that job, you also need personality, attitude and sales skills.
We put a lot of stress on "qualifications" in India, that is not the case here in North America.
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Crenshaw , J3D & Daks ,
GM and valuable inputs by u all .Appreciate it .
No I havent decided to return .I am still in the deciding phase planning to re-enter finally in 2006 .Carefully assessing the situation as per my own standards to quote J3D.
I had a mindset before I landed Toranto last year . I came in for a 'feeler' visit .I did not search for jobs . Just observed as much as I could met and inquired of every person I met as per the situatioin . Either at get togethers ,Malls or elsewhere (Phil Nathan Aquare) --- just bumped into ppl while taking pics and inquired .
Sadly they seemed to substantiate the mindset formed . Talked with a couple of acquaintances who have been in Canada for a while and although a small sample but they confirmed on the not-so-good economy (job wise). Professionals who were doing well in India were doing odd jobs here and due to hanging-in-the-middle reasons werent ready to return . I did come across to people who made it big but again they had pumped in a lot of money .
Daks when I say 4% I refer to the CAs being the best Accountants (correct me if I am wrong) and the pass rate of 4-5 %.
Also AED 5k may be the lower salary for an expereinced CA average being around AED 8- 9 K which comes to USD 2.4 K (without tax) .Pre Tax it would be USD 3.5k*12 = USD 42K which in Emirates as per cheaper living gives a comfortable life .
And how many of Indian CAs can shell out approx INR 100K (all costs inclusive) to take a CPA test in the hope that when he lands Canada he may get a job based on this .On top of that the Visa permission is doubtful . I came across a guy who had a confirmed admission to an accredited Univ but was refused Visa .
The underlying question is ----- Can it be assumed that 7/10
professionals who land Canada end up doing odd jobs for a period of 1 to 2 years which is enough to corrode their sequence of pro expereience . ?? The numbers is what I seek and they hold the key .
Manasvi.
Manasvi, I don’t mean to attack you personally, however I’m going to wade into your previous post here:
As regards the sample on your visit to Toronto:
Let me get your situation right:
You spent one week in Canada. During the course of this one week, you never looked for a job. However, you talked to a lot of people – on the transit system, while clicking pictures at Nathan Philips square, perhaps at the washroom at one of malls as well…..
Now these people whom you met randomly on the street (along with some of your friends) talked to you and told you that they were professionals – doctors, CA’s, Engineers – and that they were working at Tim Horton’s. Oh yeah, and from their faces, they all looked so sad that you could only surmise that they were all so very unhappy in Canada and just hanging in between, torn between returning to their own countries and continuing to live in this ‘wretched place called Canada’.
I find it amazing that you can conclude that 80% of professionals work at Tim Horton’s based on a one week visit to Toronto and from talking to strangers on the transit system and while clicking pictures………..
As regards your USD 60k+ computations
You said that the average salary for a CA is Dhs 8k in Dubai.
Dhs 8k = USD 2,178
You posted that USD 2,178 = USD 3,500 factoring in taxes. That implies an average tax rate of 40%, which is far higher than the actual tax rate paid by an individual at a $42k income level!
Tha actual tax rate paid by an individual at that income level would be closer to 18%, therefore the effective income 8k per month would be around US 2,656 per month (or USD 31,872 per year).
USD 32k per year is significantly different from USD 60k + per year.
Anything finance related is obviously not your strong point. You’ve made a number of blunders throwing around numbers on other posts as well. I’d suggest that you use caution before you throw numbers around!
As regards Indian CA’s who cannot afford to write the CPA:
An applicant does not require a student visa to write the CPA examination in the US, just a visit visa.
You said that these are CA’s who are doing very well in India, earning Rs 25k – Rs 50k per month. Rs 100,000 shouldn’t be too much to fork out for such people should it? And with a secure job in India, drawing Rs 25k – Rs 50k, they should be able to demonstrate significant ties to India that would convince the US Immigration officer to grant them a visit visa to appear at the CPA examination!
To summarize – you insult professionals like me when you suggest that 80% of professionals work at Tim Horton’s. If you genuinely intend making Canada your home in the future, you would be a lot better off trying to acquaint yourself with people who have positive experiences (in order to get a more balanced perspective), rather than constantly sniping about Canada with unsubstantiated figures.
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Crenshaw , J3D & Daks ,
GM and valuable inputs by u all .Appreciate it .
No I havent decided to return .I am still in the deciding phase planning to re-enter finally in 2006 .Carefully assessing the situation as per my own standards to quote J3D.
I had a mindset before I landed Toranto last year . I came in for a 'feeler' visit .I did not search for jobs . Just observed as much as I could met and inquired of every person I met as per the situatioin . Either at get togethers ,Malls or elsewhere (Phil Nathan Aquare) --- just bumped into ppl while taking pics and inquired .
Sadly they seemed to substantiate the mindset formed . Talked with a couple of acquaintances who have been in Canada for a while and although a small sample but they confirmed on the not-so-good economy (job wise). Professionals who were doing well in India were doing odd jobs here and due to hanging-in-the-middle reasons werent ready to return . I did come across to people who made it big but again they had pumped in a lot of money .
Daks when I say 4% I refer to the CAs being the best Accountants (correct me if I am wrong) and the pass rate of 4-5 %.
Also AED 5k may be the lower salary for an expereinced CA average being around AED 8- 9 K which comes to USD 2.4 K (without tax) .Pre Tax it would be USD 3.5k*12 = USD 42K which in Emirates as per cheaper living gives a comfortable life .
And how many of Indian CAs can shell out approx INR 100K (all costs inclusive) to take a CPA test in the hope that when he lands Canada he may get a job based on this .On top of that the Visa permission is doubtful . I came across a guy who had a confirmed admission to an accredited Univ but was refused Visa .
The underlying question is ----- Can it be assumed that 7/10
professionals who land Canada end up doing odd jobs for a period of 1 to 2 years which is enough to corrode their sequence of pro expereience . ?? The numbers is what I seek and they hold the key .
Manasvi.
Manasvi, I don’t mean to attack you personally, however I’m going to wade into your previous post here:
As regards the sample on your visit to Toronto:
Let me get your situation right:
You spent one week in Canada. During the course of this one week, you never looked for a job. However, you talked to a lot of people – on the transit system, while clicking pictures at Nathan Philips square, perhaps at the washroom at one of malls as well…..
Now these people (along with some of your friends) talked to you and told you that they were professionals – doctors, CA’s, Engineers – and that they were working at Tim Horton’s. Oh yeah, and from their faces, they all looked so sad that you could only surmise that they were all so very unhappy in Canada and just hanging in between, torn between returning to their own countries and continuing to live in this ‘wretched place called Canada’.
I find it amazing that you can conclude that 80% of professionals work at Tim Horton’s based on a one week visit to Toronto and from talking to people on the transit system and while clicking pictures.
As regards your USD 60k+ computations
You said that the average salary for a CA is Dhs 8k in Dubai.
Dhs 8k = USD 2,178
You posted that USD 2,178 = USD 3,500 factoring in taxes. That implies an average tax rate of 40%, which is far higher than the actual tax rate paid by an individual at a $42k income level!
Tha actual tax rate paid by an individual at that income level would be closer to 18%, therefore the income would be around US 2,656 per month (or USD 31,872 per year).
USD 32k per year is significantly different from USD 60k + per year.
Anything finance related is obviously not your strong point. You’ve made a number of blunders throwing around numbers on other posts as well. I’d suggest that you use caution before you throwing numbers around!
As regards Indian CA’s who cannot afford to write the CPA:
An applicant does not require a student visa to write the CPA examination in the US, just a visit visa.
You said that these are CA’s who are doing very well in India, earning Rs 25k – Rs 50k per month. Rs 100,000 shouldn’t be too much to fork out for such people should it? And with a secure job in India, drawing Rs 25k – Rs 50k, they should be able to demonstrate significant ties to India that would convince the US Immigration officer to grant them a visit visa to appear at the CPA examination!
To summarize – you insult professionals like me when you suggest that 80% of professionals work at Tim Horton’s. If you genuinely intend making Canada your home in the future, you would be a lot better off trying to acquaint yourself with people who have positive experiences, rather than constantly sniping about Canada with unsubstantiated figures.
Mr. crenshaw,
I can show you many Indian CA who had applied from Toronto for visitor visa of USA for their CPA exam and rejected and also show you thousand of rejections of skilled/professional people for visitor visa of usa from Mumbai.
If you need any proof for above I will ready to give your and in return what you offer me, its not free services and keep in mind nothing free in Canada, Its not personal attack so cool.
I can also show you thousands of people who are well qualified and working in factories from just 10 apartment buildings, what you offer me for this proof.
Come on friend,
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Mr. crenshaw,
I can show you many Indian CA who had applied from Toronto for visitor visa of USA for their CPA exam and rejected and also show you thousand of rejections of skilled/professional people for visitor visa of usa from Mumbai.
If you need any proof for above I will ready to give your and in return what you offer me, its not free services and keep in mind nothing free in Canada, Its not personal attack so cool.
I can also show you thousands of people who are well qualified and working in factories from just 10 apartment buildings, what you offer me for this proof.
Come on friend,
Basic point is, don’t generalize. While it would be wrong for me to say that EVERYONE has good jobs in Canada. I’m sure that there are probably a lot of people who are well qualified and haven’t been able to do well. Doesn’t have to mean that EVERYONE is doing badly and there are NO jobs in Canada. It would also be wrong to suggest that ‘80% of professionals work at Tim Horton’s’.
By saying that you insult the professionals who are doing well.
As regards visitor visa applications to the US, again I’m sure that there are thousands of visitors visas that get rejected at the Bombay consulate. However, this point arose from a discussion with Manasvi, who suggested that CA’s who were earning very well in India (perhaps Rs 25k – Rs 50k per month) could not write the CPA exams in the US. Someone who earns that much in India, can easily demonstrate significant ties to India – since they are ostensibly so well settled, and thefore be granted a visitors visa. Of course it would be up to the person to convince the visa officer, but if the income levels are there, a secure job well paying job exists, why should that be a problem?
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Orginally posted by Kap
Mr. crenshaw,
I can show you many Indian CA who had applied from Toronto for visitor visa of USA for their CPA exam and rejected and also show you thousand of rejections of skilled/professional people for visitor visa of usa from Mumbai.
If you need any proof for above I will ready to give your and in return what you offer me, its not free services and keep in mind nothing free in Canada, Its not personal attack so cool.
I can also show you thousands of people who are well qualified and working in factories from just 10 apartment buildings, what you offer me for this proof.
Come on friend,
Basic point is, don’t generalize. While it would be wrong for me to say that EVERYONE has good jobs in Canada. I’m sure that there are probably a lot of people who are well qualified and haven’t been able to do well. Doesn’t have to mean that EVERYONE is doing badly and there are NO jobs in Canada. It would also be wrong to suggest that ‘80% of professionals work at Tim Horton’s’.
By saying that you insult the professionals who are doing well.
As regards visitor visa applications to the US, again I’m sure that there are thousands of visitors visas that get rejected at the Bombay consulate. However, this point arose from a discussion with Manasvi, who suggested that CA’s who were earning very well in India (perhaps Rs 25k – Rs 50k per month) could not write the CPA exams in the US. Someone who earns that much in India, can easily demonstrate significant ties to India – since they are ostensibly so well settled, and thefore be granted a visitors visa. Of course it would be up to the person to convince the visa officer, but if the income levels are there, a secure job well paying job exists, why should that be a problem?
Its 100% true that don’t generalize.
I am also not agree with " that ‘80% of professionals work at Tim Horton’s’"
For not getting field jobs : Not only canadian system but also immigrants are equially responsible for that.
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