jago_desi   
Member since: Sep 04
Posts: 591
Location: canada

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 26-10-04 08:26:26

Quote:
Orginally posted by crenshaw

You don't subject them to a barrage of negative statements (like 80% of professionals work in labour jobs) which is nothing but sensationalism.
People like 'kmukherjee' read what you guys say. When you say 80% of professionals work at Tim Horton's and then try to justify the number, they lap it up literally, not knowing that you just intend the number to be symbolic.........



You have been using 80% as unproved figure to justify your claim. Let us have your figures.
Secondly,How many mech. engineers do you know are working in their field. I know a hell lot working as labour, and very few in their own field because they have design experience with consultancy like L&T or Bectel or Dalal. Let K Mukherjee have a correct picture of Canada so that he can decide his course of action.


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Manasvi   
Member since: Sep 03
Posts: 733
Location: Bahrain

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 26-10-04 08:27:58

There you go again Crenshaw ,

Mindless conclusions ..............

Clarification: I dont sensationalisze ---jut try to undo the sensation caused by Imigrant lawers and the image generated overseas while wooing others for Imigration

Clarification : The only spun I ve done is to quote Qatar s & Canada s statistics for 2002 when Qatar s was higher and equal to Canada s current GDP per capita . I was surprised that Qatar had attained USD 30 K in 2002 !!!

U better re read my whole posts ........ u will learn that all along I have been maintaining that apparently a good majority professionals (seemingly 70% - 80%) find themselves doing undeserved odd jobs for an indefinite period. This is the information I ve drawn from being on this site for twelve times your presence and my own vist to Canada plus my own set of acquaintances .

Not only me there are others also who have quoted such stance .------

"Why do professionals come here?..... because nobody give them a clear picture of this country, and if someone try to do that he/she won't be simply ignored.

Some of us want to see only 10-20% successful (?) immigrants, they conveniently ignore views and suffering of rest (80-90%) of the people."

"That is almost a true statement crenshaw except that to make it valid, it needs just a little tweak and that is to change the "a lot" to "most". Then it would be more accurate and correct, don't you think? So it should read as "most immigrants do not find jobs”. "



You have skirted away personally whenever u were required to provide statistics be it either the odd jobs scenario or Indian-CA-going-US-CPA scenario . WHERE ARE YOUR OWN NOS. ?? U ask everybody for them .

I think BL on the other hand has been very patient and forthcoming by allowing your comments " I will not send my son to the same schools as urs " kind of statements on this forum ............. I will reserve my comments on your tone and attitude for now .

Manasvi



crenshaw   
Member since: Sep 04
Posts: 914
Location: Toronto

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 26-10-04 08:38:14

Quote:
Orginally posted by Manasvi

I think BL on the other hand has been very patient and forthcoming by allowing your comments " I will not send my son to the same schools as urs " kind of statements on this forum .............

Manasvi



Show me where I made the statement that you quote!



crenshaw   
Member since: Sep 04
Posts: 914
Location: Toronto

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 26-10-04 08:41:47

Quote:
Orginally posted by Manasvi

You have skirted away personally whenever u were required to provide statistics be it either the odd jobs scenario or Indian-CA-going-US-CPA scenario . WHERE ARE YOUR OWN NOS. ?? U ask everybody for them .
Manasvi



There are no reliable statistics available. Its just not practical to be able to do that on an ethnic origin basis. I have not skirted the issue, I have come out and said that any numbers that I get are likely to be biased to the opposite extreme that you have.

In fact gathering numbers in an unscientific manner (like walking around the streets of Toronto on a one week visit) and then quoting those numbers authoritatively on a public forum (saying that 80% of professionals work at Tim Horton's) is a clear case of drawing mindless conclusions!

Jago_desi - those comments go for you too. You may live in a building where a majority of engineers work in menial jobs, does not mean that’s the case in all of Canada.

Have you travelled all across Canada to know the situation?

Have you ever considered the possibility that engineers around you accept menial jobs because they assume that’s the only thing that’s possible after hearing your comments?

Bottomline is there are no reliable numbers around as to how many professionals work in labour jobs, certainly not by ethnic origin. Trying to sensationalize it by throwing numbers like 80% / 70% / 50% etc, is unsubstantiated and patently unfair!



chandresh   
Member since: Mar 03
Posts: 2606
Location: Toronto

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 26-10-04 08:50:27

Crenshaw and Manasvi,

Though I have personally been enjoying the battle of numbers, analysis of English language, reporting of various scenarios and an overall vibrant discussion, I think time has arrived when we halt, look back at whatever has been discussed and see if there remains any need to discuss the topic.

Without taking any sides, and not speaking as a moderator, but as a member, I feel that this discussion is almost at the verge of getting into a personal fight of two enlightened members with only good intentions at heart for fellow desis. And common sense will enable any reader to judge for himself what are the ground conditions, good or bad, great or hellish and help him take his decisions without the need to be scared to the bones.

Chandresh


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crenshaw   
Member since: Sep 04
Posts: 914
Location: Toronto

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 26-10-04 08:56:33

Quote:
Orginally posted by chandresh

Crenshaw and Manasvi,

Though I have personally been enjoying the battle of numbers, analysis of English language, reporting of various scenarios and an overall vibrant discussion, I think time has arrived when we halt, look back at whatever has been discussed and see if there remains any need to discuss the topic.

Without taking any sides, and not speaking as a moderator, but as a member, I feel that this discussion is almost at the verge of getting into a personal fight of two enlightened members with only good intentions at heart for fellow desis. And common sense will enable any reader to judge for himself what are the ground conditions, good or bad, great or hellish and help him take his decisions without the need to be scared to the bones.

Chandresh



Chandresh

Very true, appreciate your comments. The point I have been trying to make though is that the kind of generalizations that are made (saying things like 80% of professionals work in labour jobs) and moreover the generalizations being made by someone who has spent one week in Canada are unfair and out of place on a public forum.

If there was no real evidence to back up the claim of 80%, it should not have been made in the manner that it was!



DiogenestheCynic   
Member since: Oct 04
Posts: 859
Location: At my desk

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 26-10-04 09:05:34

Hell, why don't we take a poll of the desis on this board itself. What their qualifications are, when they arrived and what jobs they did in the past and for how long, and what jobs they are in at the moment. That will give everyone a "real" picture of the situation here.
From the polls of the past, the nearest to the issue of discussion is "What is most difficult thing to get in Canada?" and a full 79.5% have answered "Getting a job in own field". The sample size though is only 811. Rather than bicker and squabble, I think it is time to set up anothe poll and encourage people to participate.


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