Posts: 1185
Location: USA
Posted on: 17-03-05 14:14:57
And finally, no offence meant, but maybe you would also not want to live with your mother if she suffers from some ugly disease.
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India is just a country to me not "mom and dad" and Yes! I am not that patriotic about India to consider it my MOM .
Sorry but thats my 2 cents ..
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Posts: 260
Location: Miss, Canada
Posted on: 17-03-05 14:15:45
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Orginally posted by DiogenestheCynic
Is it so difficult to understand that given the necessary amount of money, it is quite easy to live a life in India that is so far removed from the negatives mentioned as to not have any affect on ones's life at all?
Are you saying Mukesh Ambani and Anil Ambani, Azim Premji, Sunil Mittal, Shiv Nadar, Kumar Mangalam Birla etc . or even lesser than them suffer from power shortage, bad roads, excrement, pollution and filth??
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If u think u are going to live the lifestyle of the rich and famous after going to India then u are justified in your opinion. Yes you could insulate yourself from all these things but isn't it the same as avoiding them altogether. No offence meant but what you are saying is that u would live in the same house as your hypothetical mother with the ugly disease but never meet her- just have hired help take care of her. How is that different from avoiding her altogether??
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Posts: 186
Location: Burnaby, BC
Posted on: 17-03-05 14:22:24
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Orginally posted by DiogenestheCynic
I think the OP was \\\"How much salary would it take for you to want to go back to India?\\\".
OK, if I were to put a number, I would think 15-20 lakhs per annum under present living standards (this will likely increase in a few years, going by the rate of inflation!). In addition to that, I reiterate that a good working environment and quality of life is important.
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And finally, no offence meant, but maybe you would also not want to live with your mother if she suffers from some ugly disease.
DTC - I don't agree with this statement, equating mother with motherland. Immigration has been going on for ages. What would be the condition of North America if the Europeans were content on staying in their own lands? People migrate for a variety of reasons. India's land mass is not going to increase, and the population is not going to reduce either. It is only natural that people want to spread out, seeking greener pastures. Like the Aryans, Mughals, Europeans etc did all these years. Only difference - this time we're migrating under proper procedures, with the permission of the respective governments! Sorry, didn't mean to go off the topic.
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Location: At my desk
Posted on: 17-03-05 14:40:44
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Orginally posted by jughead
People migrate for a variety of reasons.
Yes. I agree. As you said, people migrate for reasons. Trying to define all reasons in one sentence, I would say people migrate to get what they did not get, or were not able to manage in their own country. The purpose is to fulfill aspirations. A fully satisfied person will have no reason to migrate. It thereore follows that, if those reasons or needs, that cause a person to migrate, are fulfilled, then the person will have no need to migrate. On the same lines, if the reasons and needs that cause
d a person to migrate, are made available to him in his home country, he would have no qualms returning.
We are talking about first generation immigrants. For people who have not been born
AND brought up in India, the country effectively ceases to be their home country, and so if
they say that they would never want to go back to India, it is quite understandable.
The OP was a hypothetical question to ask people(first gen immigrants) what would it take to make them return. What stung was people saying that they would not even "want" to return, no matter what!! There is a difference betwee actually returning and "wanting" to return. For those who do not even want to consider returning, regardless of anything else, well it is as if that they not only not love their motherland, they perhaps hate it with a passion. Else why would a first generation immigrant not
want to return
EVER??
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Posts: 36
Location: vancouver
Posted on: 17-03-05 15:16:24
I am happy with a household income of Rs1 lakh a month, thats is I am satisfied even with Rs. 50, 000 provided my wife is earning the same amount.
In India the taxes are much less or u can say u have ways to avoid taxes, expenses are too way way less.
Posts: 36
Location: vancouver
Posted on: 17-03-05 15:19:01
REPLYING TO THAT 'REASONS TO MIGRATE...' GUYS I WANT TO ASK ONE THING , IF YOUR PARENTS ARE NOT ABLE TO GIVE U WHAT U DESIRED FOR, DO U GET NEW PARENTS??
WHATEVER THE COMFORT U QUOTE FOR AS A REASON TO BE OUT OF INDIA, HOME COUNTRY IS STILL HOME!!
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Location: Montreal
Posted on: 17-03-05 15:46:00
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Orginally posted by DiogenestheCynic
Am I to understand that those who have replied in the negative would not go to India regardless of what they were offered? Even with no limits?
Is it so difficult to understand that given the necessary amount of money, it is quite easy to live a life in India that is so far removed from the negatives mentioned as to not have any affect on ones's life at all?
Like ppl have mentioned its not just the money.
Anil Ambani has enough money to be insulated from the problems even in the most backward of places in a country like Sierra leone. However, he and his family have to make a mind-shift to live there. For example...he would probably have to have his own militia to ensure that he and his family can travel,shop,school etc in peace.
So there are compromises to be made. Its probably upto the individual if he is comfortable with the same. Some are happy with militias and barbed wire. Some are not.
I personally am not comfortable with my kids being bought up in private compounds while other kids plead for a few pennies on the other side of the airconditioned window. Makes one immune to human misery...like I was(until I returned from Canada on a visit).
There is also the possibility that some(like me) are more comfortable with the insulating effects of the oceans instead of gates, walls, barbed wire and tinted glass .
Maybe its not WHAT you block but HOW you choose to block it.
Ultimately, we are all the same.