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Orginally posted by Manasvi

Nice sentences !!! and words of advise too.

In b/w .NET / J2EE I still need to know from ppl working on these technologies which is more compatible to a person have 06 years of Oracle background.

I know that .NET is essentially an MS platform and uses SQL Server generally. J2EE is more of platform independent and Oracle somehow supports it by transforming their server with a Java cache and building their 9iAS around the same thing.

For freshers , I have a feeling that .NET is relatively easier to learn ..... but I need confirmation .

Whats the market for Oracle DBA Developer BTW ??Mercury , we know that u r an Oracle guy - kindly share your comments on this . For MCSE.net just google - it consists of 04 core plus 01 elective exam

Manasvi

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try to think of it as driving a car..
S/W development or more specifically OOT is the technology.. kinda like your generic car.. you learn to drive one.. understand rules of the road.. pitfalls of not following rules .. and you can drive pretty much any other..
.NET, J2EE .. and whatever comes tomorrow..is just a brand.. kinda like being able to afford a BMW or lexus ... certainly makes life easier.. but if you don't know how to drive.. you are still gonna get into accidents.. on the other hand.. if you are a good driver on 10 yr old civic.. new lexus might throw you off for a while but you will pick up where the controls are and cruise control etc fairly quickly..
Why the big prolog..? well.. go for basics.. algorithms, theory of comp sci, and C++ (or Java ) but basic OOT concepts and design patterns.. I have developed even complex patterns on PERL!! Hell entire Amazon.com was on ColdFusion for first few years.. and they still have boondoggle of PERL based systems..
.NET is MSFT trying to \"acquire\" good practices from J2EE and other technolgies and if you put too much time into syntax.. by the time next tool comes.. you will be horribly ill-prepared to adapt..
once again.. don't bother too much with .NET or J2EE.. both are pretty simple once you get the hang of it.. you might need some background in Windows applications for .NET and some background in Web Servers for J2EE from applications point of view.. but none will slow you down.. if you know basics of OOT..if you don't ... well learn any syntax.. there are plenty of kids out there who remember a lot of classes.. but in the end.. that's just that.. they know how to switch on Cruise control and think they can start delivering veggies across from NY to CA:-)

Appreciate your thoughts and words ZCool !!!

What about the APIs ? - they are different .OOT may be same but the Applications are different and to be a specialist 1 should go either way and not both . And this is a world of specialization.

In India they say J2EE rules .In ME its the .NET . I think in Canada it appears to b an equal share tilting towards .NET.

Yes the cert is MCSD.net .


a. If some1 has core Java skills (SCJP- Java certification) wud it be easier to go the J2EE route or the .NET route ?

b. Any1 aware of Oracle Technologies (9iAS /Portal ) demand besides the conventional Oracle DBA Developer ?

Manasvi

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Cheers!
RR

Which track should you go for as a developer? This question has been widely asked in more discussion boards other than CanadianDesi. So Here goes.
I think you should not ignore any of these 2 technologies. Right now every IT development company is considering using both technologies up to some level. They want to preserve their previous investments done in Java based systems and Microsoft based (VB, VC++, COM etc). So In today’s world you will not find a single company who would throw away existing code and write from scratch. Every one wants to hold on to their intellectual property. Both of these technologies give relatively easy integration / migration path from old technologies. So there is no plain .NET or pure J2EE. There will always be a mix of 2 up to some level.

As far as learning J2EE is concerned, Java is a must. And If you know Java don’t think you are almost done with J2EE. J2EE is huge in size (Some of you already know this. But this is for who doesn’t know). You have to learn lot more technologies like JSP, Servlets, EJBs, CORBA etc. to work with J2EE app successfully. Learning Designing Patterns (Heart of J2EE) for J2EE will take some time and little more work on your part.

About learning .NET is concerned, programming language is not a barrier. You have choice of VB.NET or C#.NET. If you already know Java, C# should be fairly easy to learn. As mostly every developer knows VB, VB.NET is VB with more OO features. VB.NET is an easy language to learn, even if you have no experience.

It is easier to write toy application in .NET for sure.

But If you want to write enterprise level .NET code, You have to follow pre established Design Patterns. Complexity for enterprise level Application, either in .NET or J2EE, is almost the same which requires previous experience.

The company I work with, We are developing new code in .NET and J2EE both to get benefit of existing code. We are using Web Services (XML – platform independent) as a bridge between .NET and J2EE worlds.

For Starters, Focusing on any one of these and you would be ignoring market which uses other technology. As for getting job, Both are important since employers are getting more educated in technology impact on financial bottom line.

Even though, Employer is using one technology today but would prefer candidate with both technologies rather than just one technology. Learning both technologies would make you a great asset in eyes of employer.

So Learn both technologies until you get a job. I know this is tough but this would increase your chances of getting job significantly.

Right now looking at job market, employers require (I looked at data from monster.ca, workopolis.ca)

• At least 4-5 years experience in J2EE development, If you want to get a job as a J2EE Developer
• At least 2-3 years experience in .NET Technologies. If you want to get a job as .NET Developer

In my opinion,
• If you already have JAVA programmer certification, focus on .NET certification.
• If you don’t have certification, Start with .NET certification.

For certification – MCAD.NET (Microsoft Certified Application Developer for .NET Framework) there are 2 core exams and 1 elective exam.

• Web Application development (ASP.NET)
• Windows Application Development (WinForms)
• Web Services Development

You can find more information here. http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/mcad/requirements.asp

Hope this helps.

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I agree with zCool's comments on learning OOT, basics on algorithms. This is at the foundation of any and all technologies. Well you can write complex systems in any given program languages. At of this moment, big banks are running COBOL.

If your resume reads, developed backend system for <big name bank> in COBOL. It is not going to get you noticed nor help you get job.

Well how many technical recruiters are really from technical background? Probably very less. They are HR Professional with Latest technology IT Question sheet in hand when interviewing technical people. They don’t understand difference between function overload or function override.

You need to have basics zCool mentioned in order to excel in any programming job. My suggestions are for helping you get a job.

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Dear All,

This seems to be good thread
I hold working 6 yrs exp. in Java/j2EE/Oracle
including Oracle Portal/10gIDS/ 9ias/10g administration/LDAP/Jdeveloper
and working Oracle DBA experience.

I would love if some one can let me know ..what more skills can help me
to fetch a job in canada.And which place will be best suitable like toronto
or BC.

Thanks
baliyan