Canada - a rip-off country !!!
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Location: GTA, ONTATIO, CANADA
Posted on: 15-09-08 14:16:14
Location: GTA, ONTATIO, CANADA
Posted on: 15-09-08 14:16:14
Yes it is true that this thread started only becuase of the gas price increase.
But what about other things. Everthing is much more expensive than in the States.
How come it costs so much more for the same exact item to be sold in Canada as compared to the US?
What changes so dramatically that is becomes so much more expensive to sell the same thing in Canada than in the States?
I do agree that Canada is a great country, which no one denies but what people are taking about prices of general commodities and that where it is a Canada is a rip-off.
Hope you agree with that.
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Location: carl sagan's universe
Posted on: 15-09-08 14:16:54
Location: carl sagan's universe
Posted on: 15-09-08 14:16:54
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Originally posted by DesiTiger
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If the gouging was happening only at the pump, I don't think the level of frustration would be this high. Problem is this happens at every single level on a daily basis. Be it grocery, insurance or even just going to the movies, Canadians pay more for everything simply because they are not used to lower prices.
Add to that high MERs for mutual funds
Also high cellphone prices
And -at least in Ontario- the high price of booze. That is a real rip-off!
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Originally posted by viggy
Most of Petro Canada outlets has this pie chart displayed, which shows
48% crude cost
34% taxes
15% refining and marketing
3% profit
Tax: Wiki links show in ON (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_taxes_in_Canada), the tax is $0.31/ltr or $1.128/gal, total tax is and in NY, it is $0.47/gal. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_taxes_in_the_United_States)
Another point is the overhead (incl. ref. and mktg) - in Canda, it is a smaller market, so the overhead will be higher.
Though I would like to see Canadian prices to be same (or even cheaper) than US ones, I don't think that will be a right demand - since Canada is a more socialistic country and US being a capitalistic one.
Last year when the crude oil prices were around $100 per barrel, we were charged around $1 per litre. When it was near $115 per barrel we were charged around $1.23 per litre here in Canada.
Now suddenly why is all the overhead & the funda of socialistic country came into picture ?????????
And if the prices are hiking because of US recession or hurricane, then why isn't it reflecting on the world market or even in US itself ???????
Don't forget last year when major Canadian refineries were stopped by worker strike & major accidents, there was a fuel shortage leaving half of the pumps in the country empty & we had to run to different pumps to fill our cars. At that time the prices didn't went up like this, nor did the price of fuel in world markets. Why is it now with some of the US refineries probably damaged (still not sure) due to the hurricane ????
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Posts: 1628
Location: carl sagan's universe
Posted on: 15-09-08 14:40:24
Location: carl sagan's universe
Posted on: 15-09-08 14:40:24
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Originally posted by mynameisraj
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Originally posted by BlueLobster
Which begs two questions...
1. Why are you in Canada if its that simple (Canada rip off vs. US)? Cause the US didn't give immigration? So you're using Canada as a temp holding ground? In which case, Canada is a rip-off country for giving you shelter based on your application while you're waiting for a US greencard?
2. Are you Canadian? When it comes to getting our rights, we desis are the first one to jump on the band-wagon and demand equality.
Whose job is it to run protests then? Somebody else's? What have you organized?
That is precisely my point. I just want to know what is being done about it. How many desis here go to community/townhall meetings and voice their concerns to the local representative?
It is very easy to resign to our plight and whine about it. It is another thing to get up and make some noise where it matters. There's a LOT of the former and NONE of the latter.
Don't know if you guys remember a certain person who griped about the OCI fees on CD. I had posted emails of Desi newspapers on the thread and many had written to these newspapers. The first to take up the issue was South Asian Focus by virtue of it being printed on Thursdays and others picked it up the next day on Friday when most Desi newspapers go to market.CanIndia even mentioned the moniker of the person on CD.
Needless to say, as a direct result of that and several other follow-ups, the OCI fees I believe are now payable in USD also, thus leading to a limited equalization of fees, so to speak.
Anyway, it is just to show that some do take the intiiative and results do follow.
Before that a dude by the CD name of Prabhu (i believe) wrote a memo to the government which was posted on a thread here and subsequently printed in a desi newspaper. However that person did not wish to pursue the matter any further.Whether one likes to believe it or not, that action along with several other articles in newspapers both Desi and mainstream have paved the road for many changes and for money to be pumped into the system to help immies. However, how effective all the changes and money have been is debatable. Nonetheless people were galvanized into action.
I am sure that all the hue and cry being raised on the gas issue by several folk will result in action being taken. Protests on CD may not have too much of an effect as this is an issue that affects all of Canada and the mainstream must take up the cause before anything of substance will be realised if at all.
Unfortunately I do not think much of a hue and cry has been raised so far.
Also gripes of high prices for TO of an unaffordable tour led to its cancellation in Vancouver lest the stars got grilled there as well.
But yeah you just gotta gripe o/w ain't nothing gonna happen.
Whether by 'hartal,' 'salt march' or putting it in writing to the press, we have just gotta express our dislikes and persevere until something positive results.
Onward!
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Location: God's own country
Posted on: 15-09-08 15:04:56
Location: God's own country
Posted on: 15-09-08 15:04:56
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Originally posted by investpro
Before that a dude by the CD name of Prabhu (i believe) wrote a memo to the government which was posted on a thread here and subsequently printed in a desi newspaper.
Investpro,
For the record, His name was Pura.
On the Main note :
I, for my part, have been expressing my displeasure in a very famous social networking site. The funny part is that most of them donot see that Canadians are gouged at the pumps and most of these guys are white guys born and brought up in Canada. A famous talk show host, gave this wonderful idea that who ever goes to the pump should fill gas only and noy buy the confectionaries there so that the Gas station operators will complain to the Oil companies and that they inturn would reduce their profit and thus the oil price will come down. To me that was a stupid idea.
The real problems is that Most Candians donot feel that they are gouged at the pumps. The second part is that the Govt. is eitther being bribed or loobies by the Oil companies to let the profits go to the Oil companies.
My solution would be to bring or threaten that the Oil and the Insurance companies will be nationalised. That is the only way that these oil companies will realise that their profits are at stake. When healthcare is universal, what is wrong in nationalising Oil and Car Insurance. Atleast the profit will go to the Govt. who can spend more money on Canadian social programmes.
I will be taking this matter up with my MP and MPP.
Also I am looking to get laid off / find work at walking distance from my house so that I will not need to spend this much money on Gas. A small step but it is like the Squrill which helped Rama build the bridge.
Peace
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Posts: 5775
Location: God's own country
Posted on: 15-09-08 15:06:13
Location: God's own country
Posted on: 15-09-08 15:06:13
Quote:
Originally posted by investpro
Before that a dude by the CD name of Prabhu (i believe) wrote a memo to the government which was posted on a thread here and subsequently printed in a desi newspaper.
Investpro,
For the record, His name was Pura.
On the Main note :
I, for my part, have been expressing my displeasure in a very famous social networking site. The funny part is that most of them donot see that Canadians are gouged at the pumps and most of these guys are white guys born and brought up in Canada. A famous talk show host, gave this wonderful idea that who ever goes to the pump should fill gas only and noy buy the confectionaries there so that the Gas station operators will complain to the Oil companies and that they inturn would reduce their profit and thus the oil price will come down. To me that was a stupid idea.
The real problems is that Most Candians donot feel that they are gouged at the pumps. The second part is that the Govt. is eitther being bribed or loobies by the Oil companies to let the profits go to the Oil companies.
My solution would be to bring or threaten that the Oil and the Insurance companies will be nationalised. That is the only way that these oil companies will realise that their profits are at stake. When healthcare is universal, what is wrong in nationalising Oil and Car Insurance. Atleast the profit will go to the Govt. who can spend more money on Canadian social programmes.
I will be taking this matter up with my MP and MPP.
Also I am looking to get laid off / find work at walking distance from my house so that I will not need to spend this much money on Gas. A small step but it is like the Squirill which helped Rama build the bridge.
Peace
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Originally posted by akscanada
How come it costs so much more for the same exact item to be sold in Canada as compared to the US?
What changes so dramatically that is becomes so much more expensive to sell the same thing in Canada than in the States?
I do agree that Canada is a great country, which no one denies but what people are taking about prices of general commodities and that where it is a Canada is a rip-off.
Hope you agree with that.
Agreed with regards to gas prices.
But when it comes to price difference in general, the economics of a nation is not simple. Especially when one country is 10 times the other and has a completely different geography...the weather is different, the general populus is different....I mean we cannot sit here be so naive as to oversimply the difference in price of a commodity in two different nations given all the darned imbalaces with regards to a million other parameters that go into costing a product.
I am sure no one here cares but wants to pay the same price for "item A" from Arctic to Antarctic, around the globe above and below the equator. Well sorry it isn't so...
I bought a high-end DSLR ($2000) recently and checked the prices in US. It was $100 less. Given the consumer base there I thought it might be cheaper...it wasn't. For a country that is 10 times the population of Canada, I think a product being $100 less is fair. The same holds true vice-versa.
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