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Posted on: 04-07-08 13:20:18
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These people have had the luxury of being born in a captalist economy, so they can shout and scream about the big bad greedy capatilists. They have never experienced the life in an economy which is based on " so called equality" ...... but most of the people on this forum have first hand experienced what that means. In india also we used to have leaders talking about how the big bad foreign compnaies will come and rule us ...... then came 1990 and the change was forced by the situation. And that was the turning point.
America might be the this big bad greedy capitalist nation, but i dont know of any other nation which has been resonably fair and even as a super power. You have to choose a lesser evil , and frankly given the situation in the world today, i rather have the Iraq's supported by America in power then some "nut-job" who wants to prepare the world for the coming of....... but then that is another matter, we need not go there.
But as i said it is free country go ahead and express yourself.
Yes, so does that mean as long as we and our families are on the recieving end of the profits and wealth we should be OK?
"...resonably fair ?.." Why cant they be fair?
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...i rather have the Iraq's supported by America in power then some "nut-job"
Respectfully,
1. What made you decide I want a nut job incharge of Iraq?
2. Dosnt GWB fit that definition for you anyway?
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What exactly is your place in deciding if he is a puppet or not? Iraqis seem to be rallying behind his govt.
Not much, just my perspective. Am I not entitled to one?
BTW: dint you check out his body language ...For a clever person like you I was wondering how you missed it?
If I could see him more outside with his people (The Iraqis you define here) rather than caged in the green zone Id say you are right on the money.
PS: Flying off to China really dosnt cut it.
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Originally posted by jake3d
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Originally posted by hemzer
The lunacy of that statement was that he might as well extend that advice to people like Ron Paul, Dennis Kuchinich, Amy Goodman, Ray McGovern etc there are quite a lot of them that spill the beans on a corporate driven capitalistic greedy govt pillaging other nations like in Iraq for example.
Yeah we get it...the extreme left are your soul mates.
Self flagellation probably gives you the feeling of a higher intellectual standing, you are welcome to it. The fact is that pushing ones own agenda is what world politics is based on. But then you want to ignore that fact and indulge in moral grandstanding to show how much you are not like your govt and appease your own sense of guilt about complicity in the capitalist society. You are probably the first one to grumble about the loss of your petroleum based product universe if the time comes to put your actions where your mouth is and build the 'equitable fair world' based on all the nice fluffy stuff you only write about.
Yeah evil crazy capitalist's. Bring on the peoples party. Stalin and Mao , the great humanists!
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Originally posted by hemzer
How do we stand up and say we are building a democracy in Iraq when we are currently trying to push an oil law that literally give US corporations all control of Iraqi oil and a forces agreement where in we can do what ever the hell we want there and not be accountable. To top it we take thier money and put it our banks and threaten to force thier hands to sing up.
Of course I could be all wrong about the above but still I was wondering if my regular friends could make vaild arguments against these posts
I dont want to comment on your moral dilemmas. I do want to point out that wanting the Iraqi govt to fail is probably not the best way to ensure that the Iraqis have their oil or whatever. A stable iraq will ensure that in time. The only way to a stable iraq is by backing the current govt not wishing it to fail and wishing for a civil war in its stead.
Is this little fact lost on you or is your sense of moral grandstanding so strong that it does not matter as long as you get to TRY to prove you are so morally upright and just?
There you go again talking about my moral grandstanding, values, guilt etc etc.....
When are you going to learn to actually debate a simple point like for eg:
The Iraqi oil law the "corporate servant" GWB is pushing there. Is that right? Is that the way we ensure Iraqis have a fair life.
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Originally posted by hemzer
There you go again talking about my moral grandstanding, values, guilt etc etc.....
When are you going to learn to actually debate a simple point like for eg:
The Iraqi oil law the "corporate servant" GWB is pushing there. Is that right? Is that the way we ensure Iraqis have a fair life.
You are the one who is arguing on the basis of values and guilt.
Who are you to decide what is 'fair' anyway? If a good portion of the Iraqis are supporting the govt then let them decide what is 'fair'. Just as long as America walks out of there everything is going to be 'fair' is it?
In time they may decide that having American troops on their land is not 'fair' anymore. Until then they have the right to run affairs their own way including agreeing to any laws even if it is to only ensure that they have stability and the backup that the Americans bring them.
Their reason for wanting stability after decades of oppression and violence may not be apparent to your sense of 'fairness'. Let them decide what they want to trade off. I don't think they need you or me to tell them what is 'fair'. At the current time they may just find that living another day is more important than the oil anyway. Your grand sense of 'fairness' is not as important to them as to you. So stop the ego trip.
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Originally posted by hemzer
Not much, just my perspective. Am I not entitled to one?
BTW: dint you check out his body language ...For a clever person like you I was wondering how you missed it?
If I could see him more outside with his people (The Iraqis you define here) rather than caged in the green zone Id say you are right on the money.
PS: Flying off to China really dosnt cut it.
Where is the green zone again? In Afghanistan like you last thought or in China?
Anyway, its sad that you have to rely on his 'body language' now. What's next, are you going to peer into his eyes and read his soul?
You know for all your mocking of GWB, you guys seem to speak the same language...is it from the 'gut'?
Anyway like I said the last time, and I paraphrase....don't make the Iraqi pm beholden to your sense of 'fairness' or what should constitute astute 'body language'. Let him and his people decide what to trade off and for how long. All in the hope that he will be 'outside with his people' more...thats what you want too isnt it?
Of course, I'm sure thats a beating for your ego to admit it but then its not that important is it? There ARE more important things than YOUR sense of a 'fair' life and what it takes to achieve it.
If you still haven't a clue...its what the Iraqis decide constitutes a fair life and the trade-offs needed to achieve the same.
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