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Posted on: 07-08-08 14:49:31
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Originally posted by hemzer
...the Iraqi government went on the offensive in its call for U.S. withdrawal by 2010. Far from embracing the desires of a sovereign Iraq, the White House instead feebly attempted to claim Prime Minister Maliki's statement was mistranslated, while the McCain camp argued that Iraqi's really want the U.S. to stay until 2020. Apparently their view of a "free Iraq" is an Iraq that is free to do what we tell them to do.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bennet-kelley/bush-reveals-true-reason_b_115487.html
I thought Al Maliki was a puppet according to you and your 'body language reading' skills
Unfortunately, your only agenda is to to paint any and all of the US actions as wrong and you will flip and flop to do that.
AL Maliki thankfully is a pragmatic politician and the Iraqis will let the Americans out when they see fit.
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Originally posted by hemzer
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Can anybody justify a death in any war. For that matter there is no justification for any thing that affects someone else in a negative way. Be it in Iran, Saudi, US, China, Burma, Russia, Sudan or India. What is the point you are making?
No body can, I am glad you are thinking my way here instead of the old line "The russians and Chinese are doing it"
The point I am making is just because there could be a body count mistake on ICH dosnt mean the Killing and pillaging of another nation is justified.
The context to the 'russians' and 'chinese' was that any power vaccuum in that region would be filled in by vying powers like the russians and chinese. Your statements are playing on rhetoric rather than any understanding of the political reality...so no point in going on about that. Yes ideally the dalai lama would be ruling the world and we would all be bhuddhist monks.
Both democratic and republic senators are up in ams about the billions of $ the american taxpayer (48 billion so far) is spending on the reconstruction (the military part is much more...but then we dont want to include that) efforts while the Iraqis are sitting on billions of dollars of surplus. Now thats a battle that will play out in the political arena and I think the Iraqis are right in looking after themselves. After all the Americans did come in uninvited. However, its not quite the 'killin and pillaging' you are talking about is it. Things have changed quite a bit there but looks like you are still stuck 2 yrs behind in time
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Originally posted by hemzer
Happy read your point of view. Could you please share your facts/sources.
...and may I share mine?
http://therealnews.com/t/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=1942
I am convinced. What does the professor say about global warming...he is the infallible truth behind all matters after all.
Now go to google and type in troop surge success. You will get enough info about the same. Even Obama, who once called it a folly, has now recanted.
The prof seems to be flip flopping saying that the iraqi's have been the ones making the difference, then he says that the levels of killings are still the same. So which is it...is it the Iraqis that have to be credited with the level of violence dropping or is it that the violence has not dropped at all?
At least at one point the prof & the interviewer admits that there is a difference...and at that point seems to be be way ahead of you. The prof himself says that Al Maliki govt has been proactive(bringing in admin elements from the saddam era etc) and does say that its one of the reasons for the US gains.
You on the other hand seem to infer that none of this is true and Al Maliki is a puppet?
Ofcourse the prof also says that there is no drop in violence and the 'resistance' is continuing. All this within 5-10 minutes. I paraphrase "No the US is not responsible for the drop...its the Iraqis. The us did nothing the Iraqis did this and that. But still the level has not dropped and all is the same". So what exactly did he give the Iraqis the credit in the first place?
prof @ timeline 4.40 of the video: "At the end of the day it was the Iraqis, who got rid of the violence...wo relatively, now have a good functioning state institutions..."
prof@ timeline 6.40:" ..I would say we have the same attacks last year as this year but they will not hear this things in the west...there are still attacks everyday but........................................................but they will not talk about it"
What? In 2 minutes he went from saying that the iraqis are the ones who have to be given credit and saying they have good working state institutions to saying that the level of killing is still the same and that the same state istitutions and the us govt are orchestrating the killings...which are at the same level.
Really can you please lay it out for us. The prof is saying everything and nothing all at once...much like you
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Originally posted by jake3d
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Originally posted by hemzer
Happy read your point of view. Could you please share your facts/sources.
...and may I share mine?
http://therealnews.com/t/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=1942
I am convinced. What does the professor say about global warming...he is the infallible truth behind all matters after all.
Now go to google and type in troop surge success. You will get enough info about the same. Even Obama, who once called it a folly, has now recanted.
The prof seems to be flip flopping saying that the iraqi's have been the ones making the difference, then he says that the levels of killings are still the same. So which is it...is it the Iraqis that have to be credited with the level of violence dropping or is it that the violence has not dropped at all?
At least at one point the prof & the interviewer admits that there is a difference...and at that point seems to be be way ahead of you. The prof himself says that Al Maliki govt has been proactive(bringing in admin elements from the saddam era etc) and does say that its one of the reasons for the US gains.
You on the other hand seem to infer that none of this is true and Al Maliki is a puppet?
Ofcourse the prof also says that there is no drop in violence and the 'resistance' is continuing. All this within 5-10 minutes. I paraphrase "No the US is not responsible for the drop...its the Iraqis. The us did nothing the Iraqis did this and that. But still the level has not dropped and all is the same". So what exactly did he give the Iraqis the credit in the first place?
prof @ timeline 4.40 of the video: "At the end of the day it was the Iraqis, who got rid of the violence...wo relatively, now have a good functioning state institutions..."
prof@ timeline 6.40:" ..I would say we have the same attacks last year as this year but they will not hear this things in the west...there are still attacks everyday but........................................................but they will not talk about it"
What? In 2 minutes he went from saying that the iraqis are the ones who have to be given credit and saying they have good working state institutions to saying that the level of killing is still the same and that the same state istitutions and the us govt are orchestrating the killings...which are at the same level.
Really can you please lay it out for us. The prof is saying everything and nothing all at once...much like you
Thats not the only place I got those details from.
I dint ask you to be convinced.
I asked you what your sources were thats says the surge was the reason of the drop.
I believe she is a sympathizer of alqaeda and Taliban.
I just hope she does not to do something stupid like the Khadr's.
http://www.canadiandesi.ca/post.php?action=reply&TID=17720&page=9
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Originally posted by puttoo
The guy is a professor from Iraq .... working in the west .... what he is saying is his point of view ... does it make the fact. We have seen the killings reduce after the number of boots on ground went up .....
On another note .... if this guy would have been in Iraq the interview would have been something like this ..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfhBtylBaE0&feature=related
If you do not think his point of view is worth it. That is just fine to me.
I just would like to hear your sources refuting it.
I do not understand your funny video link, you seem to have gotten side tracked there.
So kindly refute the topic with your sources. I am perfectly ok with it.
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