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Posted on: 30-03-05 12:27:53
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Orginally posted by mercury6
Immigrants from East Europe however dont face problems intermingling because of same race and religion. In those areas they dont have to prove themselves. They can be put in places and Jobs where a visible minority would not be.
Their Kids virtually grow up like any other "white" Canadian Kid.
Same religion?…….I believe that assumption is misplaced!
Albanians are one of the significant immigrant groups amongst ‘East Europeans’, especially since the late 90’s. Most are Muslim! Other East European immigrants tend to be Orthodox rite Christians who certainly have no religious affinity to either WASPs (White Anglo-Saxon Protestants) or to Catholics.
One reason they blend in well, is most don’t come in with a chip on their shoulders assuming that their ‘culture’ is superior to everyone else’s.
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Orginally posted by mercury6
True. However there are some differences between East and west europeans (developed vs under or undeveloped).
Immigrants from East Europe however dont face problems intermingling because of same race and religion. In those areas they dont have to prove themselves. They can be put in places and Jobs where a visible minority would not be.
Their Kids virtually grow up like any other \"white\" Canadian Kid.
I dont think any of it is as black and white as we are making it out to be. Yes, their race enables them to overcome some of the barriers that colored's have to face. I think most of the new immigrants have to face similar issues as desis do. They still speak with accents and feel the need to preserve their own culture.
Some polish friends of ours, newcomers themselves(10-15 yrs) speak of similar adjustment issues when it comes to language, culture and community values. Unfortunately for them, they also have a neighbor from hell who once told them to ''go back''.
here is an interesting read.
http://explorex.net/page52.htm
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Orginally posted by crenshaw
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Orginally posted by mercury6
Immigrants from East Europe however dont face problems intermingling because of same race and religion. In those areas they dont have to prove themselves. They can be put in places and Jobs where a visible minority would not be.
Their Kids virtually grow up like any other "white" Canadian Kid.
Same religion?…….I believe that assumption is misplaced!
Albanians are one of the significant immigrant groups amongst ‘East Europeans’, especially since the late 90’s. Most are Muslim! Other East European immigrants tend to be Orthodox rite Christians who certainly have no religious affinity to either WASPs (White Anglo-Saxon Protestants) or to Catholics.
True about albanians (add bosnians and Kosovites (??)).
What are the numbers? surely Albanians are not overshadowing immigration from the earstwhile eastern bloc.
YEs there are differences within christianity. Overall it doesnt play out as difference in relgion would as far as an immigrant goes in a New country. My first impression when I meet a European is He/she is most likey a christian. That they are orthodox or of some other denomination comes later on.
Same with a Muslim. when you hear the name mohammed do you go is that a shiite or Sunni or do you go "that is muslim"?
I think I know what you meant by your last statement. I personally dont think like that , but yes some might. I also dont find that as a reason for not integrating.
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heres something from the youth themselves
http://www.ccsd.ca/subsites/cd/docs/iy/words.htm
This excerpt seems to support what Chandresh mentioned:
Most focus group participants who had immigrated with their parents agreed that it was much more difficult for their parents to integrate into Canadian society. Some of these difficulties related to a lack of fluency in English or French, while others involved getting accreditation for their training or degrees earned in their country of origin. Learning English or French was, by far, the most difficult challenge for their parents. "My father has been in Vancouver for five years and he still can’t speak English." Obtaining employment was also described as a huge barrier faced by their parents. "It took a long time for my mother to get a job. Even now she still only works part-time." Indeed, a few participants said that one of their parents had moved back to their country of origin because they felt that life was too difficult in Canada, particularly with respect to obtaining employment. A number of participants also lamented the fact that their parents were forced to take what they considered to be menial jobs, either because their grasp of English or French was insufficient, or because their academic credentials and work experience counted for very little in Canada. "In Algeria, my father owned businesses. Here, he is unemployed." "At home my father was an engineer. Here all he can get are odd jobs."
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Orginally posted by jake3d
heres something from the youth themselves
http://www.ccsd.ca/subsites/cd/docs/iy/words.htm
Interesting perspective.
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Orginally posted by mercury6
YEs there are differences within christianity. Overall it doesnt play out as difference in relgion would as far as an immigrant goes in a New country. My first impression when I meet a European is He/she is most likey a christian. That they are orthodox or of some other denomination comes later on.
you really think being chrisitan is an issue here?
I remember when I first came in to work and someone asked me if I was hindu...I said I was catholic...and they asked me if I was ok with swearing. I find that most of these guys are almost as oblivious to Christianity as they are to hinduism. e.g: when I go(on the rare ocassion) to church, most of the crowd is made up of visible minorities(philipinos, chinese, indians, etc)...the rest are new immigrants from eastern block countries. 'White' born-canadians (the ones ppl on this board seem to be obsessed with as the standard of canadianism) are a minority in these services. I observed the same in a service I attended in missisaugua...where the 'white' born-canadians were even lesser in the numbers compared to what I see in montreal. Religious fervour is higher among the immigrants than the canadians who are born here.
Infact, the catholic church admin in montreal(quebec is a catholic majority province...maybe the only one in Canada?) is closing down churches due to low attendences. If it were not for the immigrant community...I dont think they(the church admin) would exist.
p.s: I am only talking about cities like montreal and toronto. Things maybe quite different in rural saskatchwan.
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Orginally posted by jake3d
you really think being chrisitan is an issue here?
I remember when I first came in to work and someone asked me if I was hindu...I said I was catholic...and they asked me if I was ok with swearing. I find that most of these guys are almost as oblivious to Christianity as they are to hinduism. e.g: when I go(on the rare ocassion) to church, most of the crowd is made up of visible minorities(philipinos, chinese, indians, etc)...the rest are new immigrants from eastern block countries. 'White' born-canadians (the one ppl on this board seem to be obsessed with as the standard of canadianism) are a minority in these services. I observed the same in a service I attended in missisaugua...where the 'white' born-canadians were even lesser in the numbers compared to what I see in montreal. Religious fervour is higher among the immigrants than the canadians who are born here.
p.s: I am only talking about cities like montreal and toronto. Things maybe quite different in rural saskatchwan.
Not religion alone. But a mix of race and religion becomes important.
And as you said quite important as you move out into the country.
( There is a very important side topic to this, which is why cant we move out into the country? Being in such large number only in Metro areas, surely some of us could try our hands in other areas. But again its not that simple. the east europens (or any european) who came here generations could move directly to smaller towns and countryside and be a farmer. Can we?)
I dont mean all this in bad sense and dont want this to be a discussion on racism.
A East European has more cultural similarities with the native Canadian white popoulation (of which many are themselves of East European origin) than we do. do you think this is true or not?
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