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Blue Bhai regarding your commentBesides, to expect newly arrived immigrants to suddenly pick up a Canadian accent is unrealistic"
I agree but isn't it unrealistic to ask for Canadian experience from a new immigrant? Has that stopped anyone from asking it?
Chorbhai, It sure is. And the answer in that case is exactly the same. You can't tell a newcomer to suddenly produce lots of Canadian experience on his resume, it can only be gained gradually. You can, however tell him to focus on ways around it.
Chandresh
Sorry, my bad. I wasn't talking about you, I was just making a general point based on your experience.
And full points to you for having that rule at home. A lot of my friends do that with their kids too and the all their kids speak very fluent Hindi or Gujarati. They're going to learn English in school anyways,
You also make an interesting point regarding the altering of accents as soon as they speak with you. I've lived in NOrth America for about 8 years now and I think I my accent's pretty American. But whenever I speak to someone with an Indian accent, I automatically revert back to my Indian accent. It happens naturally without any effort. Now I know I'm not alone
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Location: Toronto, ON, Canada
Posted on: 14-11-03 13:23:12
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Orginally posted by chandresh
Some of the persons in my class, as well as some existing employees are hired by the company MAINLY because of the accent they have - so that they can serve those customers who will undertand them better than a person who has \\\"Canadian Accent\\\". Would you prefer to talk to a person in English who speaks with an Indian accent or with one with Canadian accent (many a times not understanding what they mean!!). So, there are a lot of CSR jobs available to people with an accent!
This makes no sense, Chandresh. As I stated earlier, I hang out with hiring managers of my bank the day long. These days I make an attempt to discuss these issues with them. They would prefer to hire a local guy over an immigrant due to several reasons. But these days, as they say, most of the candidates sent to them by the temp agencies for interview are immigrants. They have no choice but to hire one of these who seem to have clarity/fluency/etc inEnglish and strong pc/comm. technical knowledge and can handle the job. This may not be a case in small companies with less than 1000 employees. But how many temp agencies deal with these small cos. owned by a desi or an arab???
HI GC,
Your post brings in two new aspects and food for thought!
First - the hiring managers these days are getting new immigrants from temp agencies - as you said. Why?
- are the \"locals\" fully employed so temp agencies do not have any local talent available?
- are the temp agencies finding that new immigrants will work better than old immigrants (even the whites are immigrants, let's not forget) and therefore their clients will be happier?
- \"Locals\" do not like temp jobs?
- these temp agencies will be able to make more money out of new immigrants since they are ready to work for lower salaries, while the temp agencies still bill the client \"local\" talent rate?
Whatever be the reason/s, isn't it a good news that even the temp agencies are now promoting new immigrants?? But if that was true in most cases, we would be getting more happy stories on this forum than the sad ones. Time to rethink \"WHY\"?
Second point - how many temp agencies deal with clients with an employee strength of less than 1000? In my opinion, these small businesses (not very small though) are the bread of butter (and sometimes dessert too!) of the temp agencies. In my accounting profession I have seen that most of the positions of temp work is because the companies are small and cannot afford either to hire permanent staff, or even time to interview. Many a times, the temp postion is created simply because one of the employees has left (or fired, like in my previous temp jobs) and the backlog is there which is too much for the existing staff of 2 or 3 emploees to handle. These are companies which have sales figures of about 5 to 50 million per year and a staff strength of 5 to 100! And as you might have read in my earlier post, I was once almost selected for being a recruitment manager for Accountemps - and this is what they had told me during my three interviews.
To restate my point, there are jobs available, both labour and clerical, to new immigrants and one can get it by being positive/confident/presentable and knowledgeable about the subject. Ability to communicate well is very important, but not the accent. Yes, there are definitely some problems if you are old (anything above say 36-37), really senior level executive in a non-multinational company back home, and academically highly qualified too!
However, again, that's my personal experience, and opinions are based on personal experiences!
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Orginally posted by chandresh
Ability to communicate well is very important, but not the accent. Yes, there are definitely some problems if you are old (anything above say 36-37), really senior level executive in a non-multinational company back home, and academically highly qualified too!
Ohh yes there are so many individuals i have come across who are quite old and dream of making it good in canada and work in jobs which truly dont reflect their skills. Sometimes i wonder why did they even bother coming here especially in their home countries they have had some very high positions.
Case in point is a bank VP from india who came to toronto and is struggling to get a decent job to match his skills. It sometimes amazes me as to how a bank VP would even quit such a status filled position and come all the way here.
Some folks say that they want their children to have better education and better future. This maybe true in a very few cases but i find it hard to buy this argument outright.
My advice is to stay away from Canada if you are older than 40. As it is even the local people older than 40 would be the first ones to be let go during layoffs and immigrants dont stand a chance in surviving the layoffs.
Any comments would be welcome
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Orginally posted by smash
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Orginally posted by chandresh
Ability to communicate well is very important, but not the accent. Yes, there are definitely some problems if you are old (anything above say 36-37), really senior level executive in a non-multinational company back home, and academically highly qualified too!
Ohh yes there are so many individuals i have come across who are quite old and dream of making it good in canada and work in jobs which truly dont reflect their skills. Sometimes i wonder why did they even bother coming here especially in their home countries they have had some very high positions.
Case in point is a bank VP from india who came to toronto and is struggling to get a decent job to match his skills. It sometimes amazes me as to how a bank VP would even quit such a status filled position and come all the way here.
Some folks say that they want their children to have better education and better future. This maybe true in a very few cases but i find it hard to buy this argument outright.
My advice is to stay away from Canada if you are older than 40. As it is even the local people older than 40 would be the first ones to be let go during layoffs and immigrants dont stand a chance in surviving the layoffs.
Any comments would be welcome
I agree. I met a guy couple of months back who was a VP in Citibank in Bombay and moved here. Now he's working in customer service in CIBC at about 12/13 bucks an hour. And I just don't get that! The kids argument is the most common one given, but after people come here they start complaining how their kids are losing their Indian values.
If you're over 40 and doing well professionally in India, you'd rather stay back unless you have millionaire relatives here ready to hook you up. And if you still decide to come, come fully prepared mentally to do menial jobs.
Smash,
The way you quote people is a bit confusing, kinda hard to figure out where the quote ends and your text begins. The right way to do it is to click the QUOTE button on somebody's post and then remove the text you don't need.
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Location: Toronto, ON, Canada
Posted on: 17-11-03 16:54:22
while continuing the same discussion, last weeked I was at a party in Kitchener, ON and happen to meet some newly landed desis. They were telling the stories of few of their acquaintances who were VPs kinna big shots in India, couldn't handle stress on muscles at "prestigious" jobs they found here, went back to India and fortunately found their old job with the same employer at the same position. So you see, what a change, they got the privilege of having renowned "canadian experience"(unforgettable moments of their life) and are back on the track now.
It is very true that a person who is 40+ and working at a senior position in India should not dream of immigration to Canada unless n untill he has a strong family background in N.amercia/Europe to help him settle down with some business or is well-loaded so that he can sit back to upgrade his skills and find some way out in his field.
What I wonder is that how come the people of this class(so called genius) get inticed by the words "land of opportunities" and come down with their whole family???
Friends,
I have been followng this very interesting message board for some time ..this is my first posting. It is good to learn about the experiences and warnings that people give to fellow soon to be immigrants.
Even tho the outlook seems grim .... and the experiences posted so far are honestly discouraging ...despite all what i have heard so far i have decided to take the leap and move to canada in Jan 04...ab jo hoga dekha jayega.darne ki koi baat nahi . jo dar gaya wo ............
We indians have a great potential in ourselves...given a chance we can overcome any adversity.... it would be great if we make the tone of discussions a little more positive..... when one can overcome all obstacles in india of trememdous competition and still be successful ...why cant we make it happen in Canada or any other country for that matter where the competition is nothing as compared to india and the resources are more readily available to everyone. ( kam se kam raat ko 4 baje paani bharne ke liye to nahi uthna parta haoga!!!) Lets count the other blessings which Canada has to offer instead of only the hardships.
I feel if we support and encourage each other ... we all will feel stronger as a community .... this website is a great effort in that direction and lets utilise this effort by making our discussions a little more positive.
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