I am not coming to Canada, No no - Coming Now!
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Dear All,

The most awaited day, for which I waited for 3 years came in my life and I WAS NOT HAPPY. I got the waiver on 18th June. Let me list out the reasons,

1 Canadiandesi.com, after reading so many posts I came to know about the reality prevailing at this time.

2 My family, I do not want my family to be broken. My parents are above 70 now and I am the only son.

3 My present financial & professional status in India. I and my wife both work in the booming finance sector in India and the joint income is touching almost 8 lakhs P.A. Net take home comes to almost 55 K.

Let me tell you, I do wish to see the world, earn more money and face new challenges, BUT NOT AT THE COST OF MY PRESENT. I live in PRESENT and I feel, that is stronger in my case then any other ambitions.

I gave myself 5 options, and after analyzing each and every minute thing attached, I finally selected the 4th option. And that means I am not coming to Canada for settlement.

Here are the 5 options

1 We both Go there, wind up everything here, do part time jobs, study further and start struggling to settle. And most importantly pray to god, that within these 2/3 years, nothing should happen to my family members (major health issues), otherwise, we would have to come back and would ultimately result in to major financial and TIME LOSS.

2 My wife continues here, I reach Canada, do the same thing without her and try calling her after I settle. And then family members can start coming on visitor visas till we reach to a stage of sponsoring them).

3 Completely forget the project and firmly accept to stay in India and grow further. I would even save some 2 lakhs, which is required to be paid before leaving (Rs. 67300 (RCMP) + 65500 (AGENT fees) + 60000 (AIR TICKEST). These two lakhs can once again enable us to re-gain the Indian luxuries like car/ac etc..(I SOLD MY CAR ETC..To cope up with the project's fund requirement).

4 Fourth, which I thought to be more intense one right now, i.e. I go there for 15/20 days alone, take my PR and reach back India. I had long discussions with my boss and leaves up to 20/30 days should not be a problem. With this we would loose 162800 (except my wife's air ticket everything is same as above), but we will take that as investment for future. Because with PR holding, in future I am keeping the option open, or our kids can have their future option open. At least the doors would not be closed for us for ever. After reaching back, we would re-engage ourselves with our Indian work routine and start saving for future. If I do not get what I should be after 2/3 years in my growth path here, at least I can re-open the option of Canada.

5 "We both go together, get the PR, I come back and resume in my duties. My wife stays back with her cousin and start looking for a job (I am yet to check the technicality involved, as whether Principal applicant can come back without SPOUSE). Because at least one positive factor in majority, I have found that females do get jobs fast. If she can sustain for a period of 6 months, I can then join her with more savings. This is a reverse scene then point - 2, but the advantage is that the bigger part of current income is continued. Only my wife's salary loss would take place ,which can be easily replaced by her any part time call centre or banking job in Canada.


Finally I selected the no. 4 option and that too, we both would go in APRIL - 2005 for 20 days and come back with PR. Hence we would have our 5 years clock beginning from 2005. I could have gone alone right now, but when we have an opportunity then why we should not go together for 20 days on a vacation and come back.

I thought of sharing this, as I know there are so many like me in the queue. I seek your valued inputs now, whether you agree/endorse to my decision or not.

Regards,

VJ


And now I changed my decision:


I know, this is going to catch a huge FIRE. But yes, today at this moment I have no doubt whatsoever, that "I AM COMING TO CANADA". I know lot of people (more then 6000 views to my earlier post of NOT COMING TO CANADA), would react in different ways. Some will say, Kya ho gaya, pahele na bolta tha, why he is coming, or some will say, aa gaya na line pe?

But, that’s the way it is. So many things I wrote in my replies about justifications at each step of my decision. But since few days, it’s been a battle of lot of thoughts. Lot of reality based factors. Lot of professional factors. However the reason remains the same as I once again repeat, I always go on three factors "STHAL (PLACE), "SANJOG (CIRCUIMSTANCE) and SAMAY (TIME).

Why I am coming (On personal factors)

I still remember a scene of a Hindi movie called "Dilwale Dulhaniya le jayenge", it was ANUPAM KHER, the father talking to SHAHRUKH KHAN, the son. Shahrukh khan requests Anupam that he wants to go to EUROPE for vacation and first he says no. But listening that the SON decides not to go, he immediately says nahi "TUJE EUROPE JARUR JANA HAI, APNE LIYE NAHI TO MERE LIYE, TUJE MERI JAWANI JINI HAI".

The point is sometimes, one generation has to sacrifice for many more to come. It happens actually, especially in our Indian culture. My father was a simple, small-time Govt. servant. Daily in the morning he used to paddle his HERO CHAMP (I remember the moped name) and slowly at the speed of 30 KPH, he would reach his office and in the evening, I used to wait for him and see him coming back in the same tilted way of sitting on the moped. He worked for 37 long years at the same place. He did manage to bring us up. I had a 100 % physically handicapped sister, who recently died. I have other 2 sisters, who got married within the last 3 years. He got retired in 92 and I had to take over, and that too without completing my Graduation. I could do only a small DIPLOMA. SO today I am once again like my father making two ends meet.

So when I used to see that 3rd or 4th page of my passport since last few days with a WHITE STMAP on it, written as "CANADA VISA", I used to do a lot of SELF TALK. What should I do for my next generation to come? I think I am fighting for myself right now, not for my future generations to come. We owe a lot to the coming world. What I feel is every person, who is the bread winner of his family must have a progressive thinking. Progressive is like X+1 (with a vision of next 2 generations). THE BOTTOMLINE IS I WANT TO CREATE A VERY STRONG UNBREAKABLE PLATFORM FOR MY FAMILY MEMBERS (MY KIDS, MY SISTER’S KIDS AND OTHERS) BY EARNING MORE IN A PLACE LIKE CANADA.

Why I am coming (On professional factors)

Recently I got promoted and I came to kutch. I am always attached to a place called BHUJ, which is my native. Somehow after the earthquake and after my survival from the earthquake (as me and my wife do not want to remember the date 26th Jan, I am not writing much about the experience), I took a decision of coming to KUTCH. Now the place for the base station is GANDHIDHAM. And let me tell you its one of the most horrible places I have ever experienced in my life, DUST, POILLUTION, TRANSPORT, WATER, ELECTRICTY PROBLEM, LANGUAGE, MENTALITY OF PEOPLE what not…I generally fit my self in any condition. But this town makes me crazy. Can you believe every night when you finally sleep after a hectic work schedule of 14 hours, Electricity goes off for 3,4,5 hours. My wife and I literally do not sleep. I work in a private insurance company as a branch manager with income more then 6 lakhs P.A and my wife is an ASST MANAGER with a bank earning more then 2.5 lakhs P.A. Can you believe with this kind of income, we can live a king-size life. BUT THIS PLACE CALLED GANDHIDHAM IS NOTHING FOR US. You can’t even breathe well. I can't leave being a senior before 2 years.

So that’s the story so far, I know I may have lot of reactions from you all, but my decision is final now “I AM COMING, NOT FOR THE PRESENT BUT FOR THE FUTURE”

I would surely contribute further on this. I wanted to convey my feeling and the decision, hence I have not written full.


VJ



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VJ   
Member since: Mar 04
Posts: 441
Location: Mississauga-Canada

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 12-08-04 07:47:52

Ha ha ha ha .....that was too good......the weather really becomes romantic now a days in INDIA.....

Hey congrats , did you see you have two stars under your name. You seem to be becoming a senior desi.

Rgds,

VJ



VJ   
Member since: Mar 04
Posts: 441
Location: Mississauga-Canada

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 12-08-04 07:48:21

Ha ha ha ha .....that was too good......the weather really becomes romantic now a days in INDIA.....

Hey congrats , did you see you have two stars under your name. You seem to be becoming a senior desi.

Rgds,

VJ



bingo123   
Member since: Nov 03
Posts: 188
Location:

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 12-08-04 12:37:30

Did you get PR Card? You should know that you can apply for PR card after coming here, but you will get PR card in mail after 2-3 month. But Canada immigration really want to find out who are staying and who are leaving country, so they are doing random check and randomly they will call you to get PR card instead of sending in mail. So in that case, you can't come back to visit canada immigraiton office to get your PR card, as you have to have PR card to enter in canada. so In this situation, you have to apply again for some temp. permit from india..which cost money and time both...so think twice what you want to do..
anyway... this country is making money from immgration..so they got already money for your immigration process..
I have 3 friends came in this year, 2 friends got PR card in mail, and 1 unlucky have been ask to get PR card from office with ientity, and he informed them that i am outside of the country and they replied ..whatever..apply for either again canada immigration or temp. premit..so best of luck
igonre this message if you already landed and got PR card..



abisangi   
Member since: Jun 04
Posts: 17
Location: bangalore India

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 12-08-04 22:10:40


Dear VJ,

I have got interview weiver, i have completed all formalities like Police clearance etc and today i have submitted my passport for visa. A background about me, i am an engineer not a software engineer but an hardcore HVAC engineer located in Bangalore. I have my own business with a 1/2 corore turnover . My company has shown so much prospects that other pvt ltd company are giving me offer to take over in case i am leaving. I applied for PR when i was 37 today i am 41 and i got it. The biggest confrontation i have to face is , is it worth this trouble. After reading the posting in Canadian Desi i was seriously disturbed. But i always do not go by another persons experience and circumstances. I make my own decision , I thought over all pros and cons one major fact that always comes to my mind is Canada is 30 million whereas India is 1000 million.

I have lived abroad at Bangkok for 6 years with my family and during this time i realised the value of being a NRI . And today the facility available is you can go to Canada validate your PR status and re-join after 3 years this is great. My friend i want to sayone thing what ever prosperity comes to INdia today it gets diluted because of the population. Thailand where i stayed i could see the difference.

MY advice to you is getting a PR status is a assest like buying a property if you are PR you get an oppurtunity to stay and buy property etc in another country. That too a country with such a wide big land and so much natural resources and such a organised country to live. What ever is shared in the Desi the negative one i would like you to ignore and validate you PR status.

I am going to validate my PR status ,With good business at present i am till closing this business and moving to Canada, and that too i am moving all with my family i.e My wife, my daughter and my Son who is a mentally challenged one . You can make your judgements only when you reach there do not go by what is shared . There is a big difference between reality and another persons experience what is real for you may be totally different from what another persons experience.

I am moving to Canada by May 2005 with my family come what may i am landing to Toronto I know there are a lot of Canadian Desi and i have lived abroad for 6 years and once you are a NRI another indian will realise your value . You will get support and you will succeed .

regards

SR



VJ   
Member since: Mar 04
Posts: 441
Location: Mississauga-Canada

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 12-08-04 23:58:24

Quote:
Orginally posted by binal

Did you get PR Card? You should know that you can apply for PR card after coming here, but you will get PR card in mail after 2-3 month. But Canada immigration really want to find out who are staying and who are leaving country, so they are doing random check and randomly they will call you to get PR card instead of sending in mail. So in that case, you can't come back to visit canada immigraiton office to get your PR card, as you have to have PR card to enter in canada. so In this situation, you have to apply again for some temp. permit from india..which cost money and time both...so think twice what you want to do..
anyway... this country is making money from immgration..so they got already money for your immigration process..
I have 3 friends came in this year, 2 friends got PR card in mail, and 1 unlucky have been ask to get PR card from office with ientity, and he informed them that i am outside of the country and they replied ..whatever..apply for either again canada immigration or temp. premit..so best of luck
igonre this message if you already landed and got PR card..





Dear Binal,

I am still in INDIA, I am waitting for my VISA to come. Well I was unaware with the fact you have shared with me. You are right, if there is no surity of the process, then I can also be that unfortunate one, who has to receive PR in canada by showing identity.

I would have to think about this. What if we tell them in writting that I am leaving the country and PR can be posted on thsi address. If you say NO, I would not leave.

Is this possible?

But overall, the solution for me would be to try taking leaves from the current job of 45/60 days in place of 20 days. I should leave Canada only after getting the PR.

Thanks for sharing this Binal,

Rgds,

VJ.



VJ   
Member since: Mar 04
Posts: 441
Location: Mississauga-Canada

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 13-08-04 00:18:07

Quote:
Orginally posted by abisangi


Dear VJ,

I make my own decision , I thought over all pros and cons one major fact that always comes to my mind is Canada is 30 million whereas India is 1000 million.

I have lived abroad at Bangkok for 6 years with my family and during this time i realised the value of being a NRI . And today the facility available is you can go to Canada validate your PR status and re-join after 3 years this is great. My friend i want to sayone thing what ever prosperity comes to INdia today it gets diluted because of the population. Thailand where i stayed i could see the difference.

SR



Dear Abisangi (Rajan),

You are right but I disagree the comparison of 1000 millions to 30 millions. I do not think due to that reason one leaves the country. Don't you feel out of 1000 millions, how many RAJANs would be there? They would surely be in 30 millions. What I mean to say is, if you speak to an individual out of India's 1000 millions, who is doing good, he is not affcted by the dillution problem you have shown. I think its all about how you create your empire. This is what I think, I may be wrong.

But all in all, you are correct that we should have PR as an asset in our hand, rather its a highly liquidates asset for 3 years.

I may also visit Canada by April or May to get my PR. Can't you have expansion of your existing business in Canada?.. I mean you can look out for extending your skills set to canadian market???????

Thanks again for your valued inputs.

Stay in touch,

Rgds,

VJ.




Maverick   
Member since: Feb 04
Posts: 76
Location: Moving soon to Toronto

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 13-08-04 06:05:26

Hi VJ,

I have been going through your threads and posts...I would like to give you another link posted by anoher CD Fan..

Please Take a look ....

http://www.canadiandesi.com/read.php?TID=1529&page=1#6277

:cheers:

maverick




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