I am not coming to Canada, No no - Coming Now!
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Dear All,

The most awaited day, for which I waited for 3 years came in my life and I WAS NOT HAPPY. I got the waiver on 18th June. Let me list out the reasons,

1 Canadiandesi.com, after reading so many posts I came to know about the reality prevailing at this time.

2 My family, I do not want my family to be broken. My parents are above 70 now and I am the only son.

3 My present financial & professional status in India. I and my wife both work in the booming finance sector in India and the joint income is touching almost 8 lakhs P.A. Net take home comes to almost 55 K.

Let me tell you, I do wish to see the world, earn more money and face new challenges, BUT NOT AT THE COST OF MY PRESENT. I live in PRESENT and I feel, that is stronger in my case then any other ambitions.

I gave myself 5 options, and after analyzing each and every minute thing attached, I finally selected the 4th option. And that means I am not coming to Canada for settlement.

Here are the 5 options

1 We both Go there, wind up everything here, do part time jobs, study further and start struggling to settle. And most importantly pray to god, that within these 2/3 years, nothing should happen to my family members (major health issues), otherwise, we would have to come back and would ultimately result in to major financial and TIME LOSS.

2 My wife continues here, I reach Canada, do the same thing without her and try calling her after I settle. And then family members can start coming on visitor visas till we reach to a stage of sponsoring them).

3 Completely forget the project and firmly accept to stay in India and grow further. I would even save some 2 lakhs, which is required to be paid before leaving (Rs. 67300 (RCMP) + 65500 (AGENT fees) + 60000 (AIR TICKEST). These two lakhs can once again enable us to re-gain the Indian luxuries like car/ac etc..(I SOLD MY CAR ETC..To cope up with the project's fund requirement).

4 Fourth, which I thought to be more intense one right now, i.e. I go there for 15/20 days alone, take my PR and reach back India. I had long discussions with my boss and leaves up to 20/30 days should not be a problem. With this we would loose 162800 (except my wife's air ticket everything is same as above), but we will take that as investment for future. Because with PR holding, in future I am keeping the option open, or our kids can have their future option open. At least the doors would not be closed for us for ever. After reaching back, we would re-engage ourselves with our Indian work routine and start saving for future. If I do not get what I should be after 2/3 years in my growth path here, at least I can re-open the option of Canada.

5 "We both go together, get the PR, I come back and resume in my duties. My wife stays back with her cousin and start looking for a job (I am yet to check the technicality involved, as whether Principal applicant can come back without SPOUSE). Because at least one positive factor in majority, I have found that females do get jobs fast. If she can sustain for a period of 6 months, I can then join her with more savings. This is a reverse scene then point - 2, but the advantage is that the bigger part of current income is continued. Only my wife's salary loss would take place ,which can be easily replaced by her any part time call centre or banking job in Canada.


Finally I selected the no. 4 option and that too, we both would go in APRIL - 2005 for 20 days and come back with PR. Hence we would have our 5 years clock beginning from 2005. I could have gone alone right now, but when we have an opportunity then why we should not go together for 20 days on a vacation and come back.

I thought of sharing this, as I know there are so many like me in the queue. I seek your valued inputs now, whether you agree/endorse to my decision or not.

Regards,

VJ


And now I changed my decision:


I know, this is going to catch a huge FIRE. But yes, today at this moment I have no doubt whatsoever, that "I AM COMING TO CANADA". I know lot of people (more then 6000 views to my earlier post of NOT COMING TO CANADA), would react in different ways. Some will say, Kya ho gaya, pahele na bolta tha, why he is coming, or some will say, aa gaya na line pe?

But, that’s the way it is. So many things I wrote in my replies about justifications at each step of my decision. But since few days, it’s been a battle of lot of thoughts. Lot of reality based factors. Lot of professional factors. However the reason remains the same as I once again repeat, I always go on three factors "STHAL (PLACE), "SANJOG (CIRCUIMSTANCE) and SAMAY (TIME).

Why I am coming (On personal factors)

I still remember a scene of a Hindi movie called "Dilwale Dulhaniya le jayenge", it was ANUPAM KHER, the father talking to SHAHRUKH KHAN, the son. Shahrukh khan requests Anupam that he wants to go to EUROPE for vacation and first he says no. But listening that the SON decides not to go, he immediately says nahi "TUJE EUROPE JARUR JANA HAI, APNE LIYE NAHI TO MERE LIYE, TUJE MERI JAWANI JINI HAI".

The point is sometimes, one generation has to sacrifice for many more to come. It happens actually, especially in our Indian culture. My father was a simple, small-time Govt. servant. Daily in the morning he used to paddle his HERO CHAMP (I remember the moped name) and slowly at the speed of 30 KPH, he would reach his office and in the evening, I used to wait for him and see him coming back in the same tilted way of sitting on the moped. He worked for 37 long years at the same place. He did manage to bring us up. I had a 100 % physically handicapped sister, who recently died. I have other 2 sisters, who got married within the last 3 years. He got retired in 92 and I had to take over, and that too without completing my Graduation. I could do only a small DIPLOMA. SO today I am once again like my father making two ends meet.

So when I used to see that 3rd or 4th page of my passport since last few days with a WHITE STMAP on it, written as "CANADA VISA", I used to do a lot of SELF TALK. What should I do for my next generation to come? I think I am fighting for myself right now, not for my future generations to come. We owe a lot to the coming world. What I feel is every person, who is the bread winner of his family must have a progressive thinking. Progressive is like X+1 (with a vision of next 2 generations). THE BOTTOMLINE IS I WANT TO CREATE A VERY STRONG UNBREAKABLE PLATFORM FOR MY FAMILY MEMBERS (MY KIDS, MY SISTER’S KIDS AND OTHERS) BY EARNING MORE IN A PLACE LIKE CANADA.

Why I am coming (On professional factors)

Recently I got promoted and I came to kutch. I am always attached to a place called BHUJ, which is my native. Somehow after the earthquake and after my survival from the earthquake (as me and my wife do not want to remember the date 26th Jan, I am not writing much about the experience), I took a decision of coming to KUTCH. Now the place for the base station is GANDHIDHAM. And let me tell you its one of the most horrible places I have ever experienced in my life, DUST, POILLUTION, TRANSPORT, WATER, ELECTRICTY PROBLEM, LANGUAGE, MENTALITY OF PEOPLE what not…I generally fit my self in any condition. But this town makes me crazy. Can you believe every night when you finally sleep after a hectic work schedule of 14 hours, Electricity goes off for 3,4,5 hours. My wife and I literally do not sleep. I work in a private insurance company as a branch manager with income more then 6 lakhs P.A and my wife is an ASST MANAGER with a bank earning more then 2.5 lakhs P.A. Can you believe with this kind of income, we can live a king-size life. BUT THIS PLACE CALLED GANDHIDHAM IS NOTHING FOR US. You can’t even breathe well. I can't leave being a senior before 2 years.

So that’s the story so far, I know I may have lot of reactions from you all, but my decision is final now “I AM COMING, NOT FOR THE PRESENT BUT FOR THE FUTURE”

I would surely contribute further on this. I wanted to convey my feeling and the decision, hence I have not written full.


VJ



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rajand   
Member since: Jun 04
Posts: 601
Location: Baroda, India.

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 14-09-04 19:38:26

Hi Kaps,

Maja mu chhu. Thanks for offering to help.

Actually I visited the Resume centres & made resumes for jobs in sales, call-centres, data-entry, administration, etc.

I am looking for a sales job in IT field/telecommunications. So if you know of something do let me know.

I selected Calgary mainly because :-
1. There are lot of companies around Calgary which are into oil exploration & engineering. Due to that computer vendors & telecom sector companies are here.
2. Compared to Toronto, less number of immigrants come here. So chances of getting good job in our field are more.
3. Cost of living & travelling time is less here compared to bigger cities. Hence quality of life can be better.
4. Disadvantage is extreme cold, but I guess not much difference for us between -20 or -35 since we have not experienced either.
5. 2 of my close friends are settled in Calgary. So initial support is there & company is also there.

I guess these are the major reasons. Ofcourse i would love to move to Vancouver after some time due to moderate climate & also the sea is nearby.

Where r u located?


Bye & rgds.


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yellowknife   
Member since: Sep 04
Posts: 447
Location: Mississauga

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 30-09-04 09:09:34

Looks like your decision is completely based on financial considerations.
All you talk about is how much you will save with each option.

Having said that, I think it is a wise decision but you should be careful as the canadian authorities are becoming increasingly vigilant about people who cut it too close(stay out for exactly 3 years and then come back when 2 years are left). While legally as of now they cannot do anything, they are giving people a hard time by asking them to prove the days you have been out of canada, whether you have had any ties to the country during that period, etc. etc.



AsmatJahan   
Member since: Sep 04
Posts: 10
Location: T o R o N t O

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 03-10-04 16:56:40

Dear VJ
i think its right desicion but i just like to mantioned one thing \" make sure you have exta days for vacation as sometimes this PR card take long time i m not trying to scar you anythin but it happend in my family that becauce of the PICTURE they did not send PR card n its about 3 MONTHS NOW, still waiiting for PR .(after waiting 2 1/2 months to get appointmet for another picture ,hoping to get it by next week weeks)..so be careful when you landed u make sure thye have ur right picture...immigration work tk alot time n u need to have patient. GOODLUCK To u n ur wife:)




OneIsACrowd   
Member since: Oct 04
Posts: 95
Location: Toronto, Canada

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 04-10-04 12:01:18

Geez, man, VJ.
You ought to have done this "research" a long time back - *before* you applied.
It is people like you that are slowing down the Canadian immigration process and making it difficult for the rest of us who seriously wish to immigrate and settle in Canada ASAP.
Do you realise that --

1. Because of your stupidity in applying *before* researching the conditions in Canada, you have slowed down the immigration process for other people

2. CIC is prevented by law from making a surplus or profit through the immigration business. Most of their activities are paid for by taxes.
The fees that you pay (yes, even including the rip-off landing fees) barely covers the true cost of processing your application.
What this means is that *I* am paying my hard-earned tax $$ to process *your* application when you have no real intent of ever settling here.

3. It is applicants like you who are abusing the immigration system by becoming "paper" PRs.
You are crippling the immigration system.

Canadian immigration leaves a lot to be desired and has several policy holes - please do not abuse/exploit it and make it worse for others.

If you are well-settled in your country, stay there for Heaven's sake.

If you wish to "see the world" as you said, go buy a plane ticket and get a tourist visa !



wisernow   
Member since: Apr 04
Posts: 313
Location: 43° 54' N, 78° 6' W

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 04-10-04 12:11:10

Quote:
Orginally posted by OneIsACrowd
2. CIC is prevented by law from making a surplus or profit through the immigration business. Most of their activities are paid for by taxes.
The fees that you pay (yes, even including the rip-off landing fees) barely covers the true cost of processing your application.


What is the source of this statement? Cite? What "processing" costs can cost so much?


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the-entrepreneur   
Member since: Jul 04
Posts: 190
Location: Mississauga

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 04-10-04 12:11:42

Hey One is a crowd,
Interesting viewpoint! I don't think it will go down well with VJ though!
However where did you get the notion that the fees you pay do not cover the processing costs? I am given to understand that only $200 is used for processing and the rest is used in settlement services the govt provides here, however marginal we feel they may be.
New spin though.
BKB


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the-entrepreneur   
Member since: Jul 04
Posts: 190
Location: Mississauga

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 04-10-04 12:38:20

Orginally posted by OneIsACrowd
2. CIC is prevented by law from making a surplus or profit through the immigration business. Most of their activities are paid for by taxes.
The fees that you pay (yes, even including the rip-off landing fees) barely covers the true cost of processing your application.

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You say that the landing fees are a rip-off and yet you say they barely cover the processing costs? How are they a rip-off then? Please expound.
BKB


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