Posted on: 21-06-11 23:26:13
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Originally posted by DesiBabu70
NM, i believe that you and i agree more than you think.
you are saying a lot of things that i agree with and have said before.
Quote:such defense deals are complicated and the public doesn't always know the true picture.
Originally posted by Nightmare
What about defence contract for Jets? You think Harpo is being honest here?
maybe you are thinking there's a kickback involved like the Indian Bofors deal.
i can't obviously refute or confirm it since i don't have any inside information.
however, i'll tell you this....the state of our military hardware, esp. jets and submarines is pathetic.
it is an ambrassment to our country.
Canada has perhaps the worst military hardware in the entire NATO and G8.
the reason is simple : for years and years left-leaning liberal governments have neglected this area.
the liberal governments have been philandering the public's money on stupid programs that benefit their own vote banks like the public sector, the unions, etc.
we have been living under liberal rule for decades now.
the only conservative govt. we have had in over 40 years was the Mulroney govt.
and that turned out a fiscal disaster for many reasons, but primarily because of the philandering and fiscal irresponsibility of the previous liberal govt i.e. Trudeau's govt.
anyway, our military is in dire shape and it is a national embarassment.
recall the instances of crashes of military helicopters in last few years and how some air force pilots have died in it.
it is ironical that if you talk to anyone connected with the defence and army/air force they agree with this policy...the only ones opposing it are liberal civilians that have no idea about the state of our military hardware.
secondly, this money will be spent over the course of many years, not at once.
the impact on any one year's budget is not that much.
thirdly, this price was part of a larger collective deal.
if we had competitively bid out the contract for the planes, we may have secured a marginally lower price, but it would have cost us more in other areas.
all in all, i don't know the inside story re. kickbacks but at a reasonable, logical level this is absolutely required.
Quote:i agree 101% !!
It is time for us to ask for accountability in employment process and transparency. If an open competition is allowed in recruitment in Crown corporations, public sector units, Hospitals and many other Govt run units (As per one survey nearly 33% jobs are in these units) then we stand to get our fair share of jobs.
public service and other quasi-govt. employment like health care, etc. has become an old boys club.
it is important to change that.
Quote:but that is exactly what is happening. and has been happening for many years now.
Taxpayer money cannot be used against taxpayers.
the taxes come from the earnings and profits of private sector companies and workers.
those taxes fund the luxurious jobs, benefits and lifestyles of the public sector workers.
yet, the private sector workers and small/medium scale business owners get none of that.
no sunshine list salaries.
no 7 weeks paid vacation
no 15 days of sick time carried fwd. year over year
no 1 year paid sabbatical every 5 years
no 35 hr. work week
no job security
no fully funded, inflation indexed, lifetime pension
no luxurious retirement at 55 with 70% salary paid for lifetime
i can go on and on with some of the typical benefits that public sector workers get.
unless you work in the public sector or have close friend/relatives, you don't know half of these benefits, i can guarantee.
some of these benefits will make your eyes pop and your blood boil.
i'm not saying the Harper govt. will change all this...of course they can't, at least not easily and not in 4 years.
however, in all the years that i have been here, this is the first govt. that is taking a stand against this injustice.
first govt. to stand up and say enough fleecing off the private sector, enough ripping off the private sector and enough leecing the backs of hard working Canadians.
the Minister for Labor, the Honorable Lisa Raitt, appeared on the CTV's Power Play show yesterday.
she was asked why the govt. is interfering and setting the salary limits for the CP union (the 1.5% this year + 2% next 3 years).
her reply was : We believe it is time that the Canada Post Workers Union understand that this is fair and reasonable and in line with what the rest of Canadian workers are getting.
and that, my friend, nicely sums up what I am talking about.
she is of course being politically correct on TV.
in fact, it is more than fair and more than what the rest of the Canadian workers are getting.
Hmm… Lisa wants CP guys to get “what others get”. It is little ironical. Rather it should be other way round. Others should get what CP workers get.
Well, the fact is that I do agree that most Govt Unionized workers get away with outrageous benefits. I absolutely agree and would not argue against that.
I hope if Harpo or Lisa has any integrity or honesty, then they would also introduce a bill which reforms MP pension. For each dollar that MP contributes, state contributes 3 dollars.
I was in support of Harper minority Govt. but I have absolutely no faith in Harper majority. He is going to run amuck and maximum harm would be to minorities, especially CDs. Anti immigrants’ attitude is very common in Conservatives and that is bound to come to the fore sooner or later. Only time would tell.
This is not a conservatives vs Liberal thing..
What the Harper government is doing is the right thing to do..
With canada post on strike , the government comes to a halt because CRA does not get HST, TAX remittances at the same time the lower income public do not get their support payments that government mails out ..
In general government employees including CP are very well paid or there would be a shortage of people wanting to take up these jobs..
All government employees have guaranteed pension, which we the general public pay for generations.
All government sectors are disproportionally balanced in the favor of the majority white population. Minorities rarely get those jobs or are passed over for promotions.. Brampton schools have only 2 vice principals of indian origin, leave alone principals.. and one of them has been a VP for 10 years and has kept getting passed on for promotions.
I dont think the government employees on strike deserve our sympathy..
Quote:sure, wouldn't that be the perfect world!
Originally posted by Nightmare
Hmm… Lisa wants CP guys to get “what others get”. It is little ironical. Rather it should be other way round. Others should get what CP workers get.
but that's what got countries like Greece and Spain in trouble.
everybody wants everything.
these days it is not practical to have fully funded guaranteed indexed pensions for everybody.
CPP ran into trouble many years ago and they partially fixed it only by increasing contributions quite a bit.
the only reason public sector is able to do this is because the govt. simply taxes the rest of the working population to pay for public sector.
that is why public sector pensions are never underfunded in Canada unlike the US.
Quote:agreed but i have no hopes of that happening.
I hope if Harpo or Lisa has any integrity or honesty, then they would also introduce a bill which reforms MP pension. For each dollar that MP contributes, state contributes 3 dollars.
the conservative party didn't create this gravy train.
we haven't had consistent conservative govt. for over 40 years now.
we only had 2 terms of Mulroney and those were days of deep fiscal problems that he inherited from Trudeau.
if you think federal politicians are bad look at the provincial public sector in Ontario.
i believe (i'm sure I've seen some stats around this) that Ontario public sector workers are amongst the best paid in all of north america.
this includes police, health care, city workers etc.
a city of Toronto janitor has a starting pay of $48K, plus vacation, sick time, and of course the juicy pensions.
once you consider the beaurcracies like OPG, etc. the packages are outrageous.
we thought this was over!
now the union is asking for overtime pay to deal with the mail backlogs.
can you believe this guys?
what a spoilt, decadent and obnoxious lot.
management is refusing so far but it's quite possible they will give in to avoid any further conflict.
no one will hear about it, the union will end up getting the extra 2% pay raise they were asking for anyway, in the form of overtime.
everyone will be happy.
of course it is the tax payers that just got screwed.
Quote:
Originally posted by dudewheresmycar
This is not a conservatives vs Liberal thing..
What the Harper government is doing is the right thing to do..
With canada post on strike , the government comes to a halt because CRA does not get HST, TAX remittances at the same time the lower income public do not get their support payments that government mails out ..
In general government employees including CP are very well paid or there would be a shortage of people wanting to take up these jobs..
All government employees have guaranteed pension, which we the general public pay for generations.
All government sectors are disproportionally balanced in the favor of the majority white population. Minorities rarely get those jobs or are passed over for promotions.. Brampton schools have only 2 vice principals of indian origin, leave alone principals.. and one of them has been a VP for 10 years and has kept getting passed on for promotions.
I dont think the government employees on strike deserve our sympathy..
This is what I hear. Are immigrants getting access to these government sector jobs ? Why is this happening ? I actually never knew the public sector gets such a great package of salaries, pension and benefits.
Quote:
Originally posted by DesiBabu70
NM, i believe that you and i agree more than you think.
you are saying a lot of things that i agree with and have said before.
Quote:such defense deals are complicated and the public doesn't always know the true picture.
Originally posted by Nightmare
What about defence contract for Jets? You think Harpo is being honest here?
maybe you are thinking there's a kickback involved like the Indian Bofors deal.
i can't obviously refute or confirm it since i don't have any inside information.
however, i'll tell you this....the state of our military hardware, esp. jets and submarines is pathetic.
it is an ambrassment to our country.
Canada has perhaps the worst military hardware in the entire NATO and G8.
the reason is simple : for years and years left-leaning liberal governments have neglected this area.
the liberal governments have been philandering the public's money on stupid programs that benefit their own vote banks like the public sector, the unions, etc.
we have been living under liberal rule for decades now.
the only conservative govt. we have had in over 40 years was the Mulroney govt.
and that turned out a fiscal disaster for many reasons, but primarily because of the philandering and fiscal irresponsibility of the previous liberal govt i.e. Trudeau's govt.
anyway, our military is in dire shape and it is a national embarassment.
recall the instances of crashes of military helicopters in last few years and how some air force pilots have died in it.
it is ironical that if you talk to anyone connected with the defence and army/air force they agree with this policy...the only ones opposing it are liberal civilians that have no idea about the state of our military hardware.
secondly, this money will be spent over the course of many years, not at once.
the impact on any one year's budget is not that much.
thirdly, this price was part of a larger collective deal.
if we had competitively bid out the contract for the planes, we may have secured a marginally lower price, but it would have cost us more in other areas.
all in all, i don't know the inside story re. kickbacks but at a reasonable, logical level this is absolutely required.
Quote:i agree 101% !!
It is time for us to ask for accountability in employment process and transparency. If an open competition is allowed in recruitment in Crown corporations, public sector units, Hospitals and many other Govt run units (As per one survey nearly 33% jobs are in these units) then we stand to get our fair share of jobs.
public service and other quasi-govt. employment like health care, etc. has become an old boys club.
it is important to change that.
Quote:but that is exactly what is happening. and has been happening for many years now.
Taxpayer money cannot be used against taxpayers.
the taxes come from the earnings and profits of private sector companies and workers.
those taxes fund the luxurious jobs, benefits and lifestyles of the public sector workers.
yet, the private sector workers and small/medium scale business owners get none of that.
no sunshine list salaries.
no 7 weeks paid vacation
no 15 days of sick time carried fwd. year over year
no 1 year paid sabbatical every 5 years
no 35 hr. work week
no job security
no fully funded, inflation indexed, lifetime pension
no luxurious retirement at 55 with 70% salary paid for lifetime
i can go on and on with some of the typical benefits that public sector workers get.
unless you work in the public sector or have close friend/relatives, you don't know half of these benefits, i can guarantee.
some of these benefits will make your eyes pop and your blood boil.
i'm not saying the Harper govt. will change all this...of course they can't, at least not easily and not in 4 years.
however, in all the years that i have been here, this is the first govt. that is taking a stand against this injustice.
first govt. to stand up and say enough fleecing off the private sector, enough ripping off the private sector and enough leecing the backs of hard working Canadians.
the Minister for Labor, the Honorable Lisa Raitt, appeared on the CTV's Power Play show yesterday.
she was asked why the govt. is interfering and setting the salary limits for the CP union (the 1.5% this year + 2% next 3 years).
her reply was : We believe it is time that the Canada Post Workers Union understand that this is fair and reasonable and in line with what the rest of Canadian workers are getting.
and that, my friend, nicely sums up what I am talking about.
she is of course being politically correct on TV.
in fact, it is more than fair and more than what the rest of the Canadian workers are getting.
Is this sunshine list of salaries dominated by public sector workers ? If so, that is pathetic. The list mentioned above is also quite shocking. Are these jobs reserved for the white majority ?
Quote:yes, it isa list of ontario public sector workers making > $100K a year in basic pay.
Originally posted by dan
Is this sunshine list of salaries dominated by public sector workers ?
What it doesn't show are the other hundreds of public sector workers making well over $100K in overtime and other benefits.
most people (desi and local Canadian) do not realize exactly how well paid the public sector workers are.
the present value of their fully guarnateed and indexed pensions are worth millions.
Quote:yes this list is only for public sector.
If so, that is pathetic. The list mentioned above is also quite shocking. Are these jobs reserved for the white majority ?
we don't care what private organizations pay, right?
as long as the salaries are coming out of the profits of the company and not piggybacking on govt. handouts like the auto companies.
actually to be correct the govt didn't bail out the auto companies. it bailed out the unions. but that's another topic.
