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Canada had banned Pit Bull. How is BL going to get his dog in Canada??

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Microsoft - Which end of the stick do you want today?

In one post BL wrote " let me remind ALL members about personal attacks and using foul language. We do allow it upto a certain point, however when it crosses a certain undefined line, moderators will step in."

So where are you, dear moderator this time? No response at all from you is really puzzling for us.

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Dear Friends,

Following is a repeat of the post made yesterday by me in the other thread ( Memorandum to be submitted .... ). I am posting it again here for those who read this thread.

Since some friends suggested, I think this thread could be locked up now and we shall continue our discussions in the other thread. This thread could still be viewed by new members if it is fixed on the viewing board. More after BL gives his suggestions about this idea.

Regards

Puru

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Thanks Blue Lobster

First I thank you for posting your comments which are fair enough. I also commend your views that even though you disagree with me in many matters, still you recognize the fact that there is an underlying effort going on here to do something positive. No one is whining here. I share the same views. I am willing to take any question which is directed towards the Memorandum and the immigrants' settlement issue but not a single personal one. Again, there is a way of asking questions in a healthy debate. The questions must relate to and be focussed on the subject being discussed and not the person who's discussing it. In other words, a good debate could go on as long as people do not lose temper or get agitated leading to personal attacks. If there is a disagreement, let us agree to disagree peacefully and in a civilized manner. So I hope in future everyone here (including me) remembers this point very clearly and distinctly.

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Now friends, you have asked about the Objectives of the Memorandum. According to me, this Memorandum is primarily meant to inform/make aware the Federal Govt of the following facts :

1.Educated immigrants here have also become aware of the existing problems in the immigration/settlement programs through years of personal experiences and hardships faced by them. The immigrants understand that the Federal Govt genuinely wants to help them in the settlement process but due to various reasons whatsoever the job remains highly unfulfilled. So something positive needs to be done in this area on a priority basis.

2.The problems faced by immigrants here are known best by the immigrants themselves. They wish to to be consulted by the Fed Govt and policies(concerning them) must be made after due discussions with them. The decisions cannot be unilateral here.
Since this whole issue concerns our lives and careers and the future of this country's development and growth , we intend to be included as an important participant in the policy making process of the Federal Govt regarding this matter. The immigrants want to join hands and cooperate with the Federal Govt and its agencies to discuss, debate and work out practical solutions which could be mutually beneficial. The immigrants want to contribute to the building up of the economy and hence are concerned that Canada has not been able to utilize their true potentials. This loss is both ways and is detrimental in the long run for both Canada and the skilled immigrants.

3. In this regard, the immigrants want an audience with all concerned authorities of the Federal Govt.to kickstart the process of ongoing dialogue and discussions. Let the Federal Govt take us as allies in this matter and not their opponents or critics. We therefore extend our full cooperation and expect that they reciprocate our offer.

In short, the Memorandum is intended to draw the Federal Govts's attention towards the fact that we, the immigrants sincerely want to join the mainstream of this country and do not like to be left out. If there is overall progress we too want to enjoy the fruits of that progress. When we are in Canada we want really to be in Canada and not watch everything like mere spectators/outsiders from the stands.

Since this post has become long I wish to stop here ( more info will be posted in subsequent posts) and appeal to everyone to cooperate and make this effort successful.

See friends, if the effort fails then nobody will lose anything. For those who supported could atleast become satisfied that they tried to do something positive. We as humans have control over our actions and not the end results. But if we could achieve even an iota of something positive then everyone of us would benefit directly or indirectly and not only the supporters of this cause. I believe you will agree with me.

So I wish that a more meaningful discussion could resume now in this matter with everyone.


Regards to all

Puru

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Ekdum well put.

Apun reading somewhere in newspapers, that what we immies are needing are our Nelson Mandelas and Mahatma Gandhis. The article also asking certain MP's like Gurbax Malhi and Ruby Dhalla and even Joe Volpe to come forward and speak out for the immies. Not forgetting here that Joe real name is Giuseppe yaan aisa kuch. He also of immie background from Italy and they also thinking they marginalised here.
Matlab boss, Puru tu apla Mandela being.

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Hello Transmogrifier,

Thanks for providing the much needed "comic-relief" otherwise this thread was getting too serious.

Hats off to u for filling seven successive posts with incoherent babble.
This is exactly how people behave when they don't have any valid arguments.

As far as going for an interview and speaking in Marathi is concerned, I think u cud also try your luck with Telegu, Tamil, Gujarati, Bhojpuri, Haryanvi, Punjabi, Konkani.......the list is endless. I hope u r supporting the memorandum - you really need it.....

Ajit Adhopia fought against racial discrimination which is a social cause and his efforts need to be applauded. He never fought for jobs. Any which ways, asking for job reservation is inviting racial discrimination back in a different way. Mr. Adhopia wud never have asked for preferential treatment because he was an Indian. He wud have just wanted to be treated without discrimination - period.

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Please to be reading editorial here from National Post:

Please also noting that editor tolding that $6,000 per head for 190,000 peoples is more than $11 billion. But it is actually being $1.14 billion.
Accidental typo yaan deliberate to make point more sensational?
With typo like that it is making one to wondering if other figures of $6,000 yaan 190,000 are correct.
Then peoples on this forum for some reason thinking western media responsible?!

Also for all deadly English types here like BL, Chandresh, Rajan Desai, Puru, mercury6 and haan, who can forgetting the man with the goods, DesiTiger, can you please helping us all in saying if 'admitees' ( somewhere in the article)is English word? I am looking in internet and in hard copy dictionaries, Webster aur Oxford, and not finding. You are thinking it is editor's neoligism? Apun also asking people in office and they also shaking head.

http://www.canada.com/national/nationalpost/news/comment/story.html?id=e2f44897-9c6f-4d38-8d42-2e85f0c052e6

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We are always suspicious of politicians who promise to raise immigration levels on the eve of an election. As likely as not, their motivation is vote-grabbing in ethnic communities, despite such lofty official objectives as bolstering the economy. But Joe Volpe, the Immigration Minister, might just be on to something this time.

Mr. Volpe is behind a series of reforms he says will re-emphasize the link between marketable skills and admission to the country. Applicants with skills that are in short supply here -- professional or not -- will have a much easier time. However, their family members with little chance of finding work will find it tougher to join them, at least for the first few years. The trick now will be sticking by this proposal. A half dozen years ago, when Ottawa last proposed amending immigration criteria in favour of employability, the idea was sunk by the strenuous objections of immigration lawyers and ethno-politicians, two important Liberal constituencies.

Action is essential, however. Our current system is unsustainable. Despite claims by Ottawa that two-thirds of immigrants are economically self-sufficient, really only about one quarter are, once ageing parents, minor children and dependent relatives are taken into account. These dependents qualify immediately for social programs. At a cost of $6,000 per capita, the 190,000 dependent immigrants admitted every year consume over $11-billion annually.

Even the true "economic class" immigrants we are accepting often possess few skills demanded in the marketplace. Among economic-class immigrants age 25 to 44, 87% have university degrees, compared to 25% of all Canadians in that age group. That would be impressive if a degree were a useful surrogate for employability. But that has not turned out to be the case. Six months after their arrival, economic-class immigrants have employment levels 20 percentage points below the national average, including those Canadians with no degrees. After two years, they are still nearly 10 points back.

Some of this unemployment -- and some of the underemployment, as well -- is the fault of professional associations that are reluctant to recognize foreign credentials, especially for lawyers, doctors, dentists and engineers. But an even greater cause is the mismatch between successful admitees and the job market. Canada has a crying need for more electricians, pipe fitters, truck drivers and carpenters. Instead we are admitting sociologists, political scientists and literature majors.

To correct this, Mr. Volpe wisely proposes opening up our immigration stream to skilled non-professionals. And to reduce the threat that the skills of those admitted today will no longer be required two or three years from now, the Minister is proposing an intermediate step between arrival and landed immigrant status. He wants many of the 50,000 extra newcomers to be first permitted into Canada on temporary work visas. After a certain period -- likely 24 to 36 months -- if they have not offended Canadian law, they can apply to stay, even to bring their family over to join them. During the initial two or three years, if demand for their skills dries up or they commit a crime, they could be removed from the country much more easily than now.

Mr. Volpe is too obsessed with numbers. Canada's current immigration levels -- about 250,000 a year -- are already the highest per capita in the industrialized world. Ottawa wants to raise that to 300,000 five years from now. Yet it does not even know whether it can attract enough workers with the desired skills to meet this new quota. There is a danger the 300,000 figure will become indelible, too. Once set, the immigration department will feel obliged to meet it each year, even if too few employable workers can be found. It would be smarter to change our immigration criteria first and increase Canada's overseas recruitment network (another Volpe pledge) before ramping up our intake.

Like the aborted reforms of the 1990s, these ideas will face stiff opposition. If Mr. Volpe is serious about making meaningful reform, though -- and not just keen to increase Liberals votes -- he will ride out the criticism and implement these much-needed changes.

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Nov. 4, 2005. 01:00 AM




STAR COLUMNISTS



Immigration funding vote assailed
Decision could be reversed, Tory says

Groups press need for promised money


KERRY GILLESPIE
QUEEN'S PARK BUREAU

Federal opposition parties — criticized as being anti-immigrant — say they're ready to reinstate $168 million in immigration funding they chopped from the budget this week.

If they need to know just how vital the money is, Mario Calla says he can tell them.

Immigrants aren't getting jobs because their English isn't good enough, but there isn't funding for more classes, said Calla, executive director of COSTI Immigrant Services.

The same is true for training and Canadian work experience programs, he said.

"In the last 20 years, the poverty level among immigrants has increased 125 per cent compared with 13 per cent for the general population," he said.

"There are solutions but the solutions require resources."

Groups that work with immigrants were reeling yesterday after discovering that the Tories and Bloc Québécois banded together in a committee vote on Tuesday to block new funding.

More than $20 million was to have come to Ontario as part of a pending federal-provincial deal. This would have been the first increase in federal funding for immigrants in Ontario in nearly a decade, Calla said.

Debbie Douglas, executive director of the Ontario Council of Agencies Serving Immigrants, said that "Ontario takes in 125,000 immigrants a year. Those are the people who are going to be suffering if this money doesn't get through."

Federal opposition parties said it was Immigration Minister Joe Volpe's "arrogant" and "evasive" appearance before the immigration committee that prompted them to vote down the funding request.

"It was clear he was looking for a blank cheque without the scrutiny," Conservative MP Rahim Jaffer said.

But the decision has turned into a public relations nightmare for the Bloc and the Tories.Yesterday, Jaffer (Edmonton-Strathcona) said the Conservatives are willing to reinstate the funding if Volpe will reappear before the committee.

"We would like to give the minister a chance to come back, address some of the issues we raised ... and we will gladly give the money," Jaffer said.

Volpe said yesterday he's willing to return to committee but denied he ducked questions during his earlier appearance.

"If you don't get the answer you want, it does not mean that the answers are not detailed and fulsome," Volpe said.

Today, Ontario Minister of Citizenship and Immigration Mike Colle will be in Ottawa at a meeting of federal, provincial and territorial ministers responsible for immigration.

"I'm going to go there to make sure we get back on track," Colle said referring to the provincial-federal immigration deal.

But for that deal to be realized the $168 million in immigration funding has to be approved.



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