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Originally posted by Delhite

What the hack is going on? What do you want from Canadian Govt? Do you expect when a new immigrant “Qualified Professional from Timbuktu University” arrives at Pearson Airport, govt should provide a limousine ride to a five star hotel with all expenses paid till Govt provides him/her an equivalent or higher position he/she was holding in Timbuktu? Give me a break. Canadian Govt is doing more than enough by providing an opportunity to settle in this country and share the infrastructure and resources with safe and better living environment. Don’t give me the b/s argument that Canadians also need new immigrants for fill up the labor market shortage. If you won’t come, others are waiting in queue so don’t cry and leave this country ASAP.

I am sure that those so called “Qualified Professional from Timbuktu”, if don’t have any previous travel history to west world, if apply for a simple visit visa to any other developed country from Timbuktu, would be most possibly rejected right away. Just think about it – when most of the western countries are not allowing you to step on their soil even for a short term visit, the Canadian Govt is providing you an opportunity to stay, work and live a good quality life and still these obligated people keep on crying. Please don’t rot this beautiful country with your efforts/ideas of providing “Special treatment” to the “Qualified Professionals of Timbuktu”. It smells like the caste based reservation system to me.

Finally, if you think that this country is not providing job opportunity to you, please give up your Canadian PR/citizenship and return to your ghetto back. You have not obliged this country by coming here but the other way around.

I am sorry for my rude words but truth could be unpleasant some times.

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I was also a "Qualified Professional from Timbuktu" when I landed but I upgraded my education, written the final exams under 'Foreign Trained Professionals' stream to get Canadian designation. I am thankful to Canadian system that they evaluated my Timbuktu credentials and asked me to write the final exams only to become at par with other Canadian students who studied for 4 years in Canada.

There is no short cut to success.

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I think we are losing a perspective here. This is what I think is the case with Canada.

You have Govt. of Canada advertizes that they require professionals from all walks of life. These professionals, then show their interest to move to Canada and are evaluated by Govt.'s own agencies. Agencies (such as WES, UofT) find they are Canadian equivalent to this, this, and this, and fit to immigrate. Let's analyze this scenario, and you don't need to be a Rocket Scientist to understand. When Govt. claims with all your evaluated credentials that you're fit to carry out your profession in Canada then they don't say you would need to work in Factories or Timmies, then study all over in Canadian universities, fork out all your life's savings, etc. Rather, they imply that the Profession against which the one is evaluated, is well received in Canada. There's hardly a mention of Canadian experience. Fair enough?

These are skilled immigrants and receiving any help from Canadian Govt. is the last on their agenda. I know this as I, alongwith many of my friends and acquintances are Professionals in their respective fields. You can make this argument for Refugees that enter Canada on the premise of Govt.'s assistance only.

So, when an employer asks for the Canadian Experience and tell them they are not recognized in this country; simply means they have been duped by the Govt. This further means, the Govt. agencies are not in sync with the industry here at all. Isn't it strange? Isn't it the Govt's job to identify the sectors that require immigrants' employees specifically? Or, DO NOT bring skilled immigrants at all, if they are not required. Rather, strengthen Student visa program. Trouble is, by doing this they will lose out on the taxes.

Coming back to the communication as someone mentioned it. Haven't all skilled professionals (potential immigrants) to undergo IELTS or the other English language testings when they apply for the immigration? Doesn't this testing include qualifying marks for Listening, Speaking, Writing, and Reading aspects of the language? Then, why would you say the immigrants can't speak good English? May be with different accents, I agree. These very companies (or individuals) that complain of immigrants' English are the first to jump on the 'Outsourcing to India' ship. While Telus, Bell, Rogers, and other big names tell you that your communication skills don't match are the first to open outsourcing centres in India or bring these very populance to Canada on a work visa. Remember RBC fiasco a couple of months ago? Talking of double speak and standards, eh?

What is Canadian experience by the way? Is it communication? I explained above my views. Is it Negotiation, interpersonnel, and presentation skills? How can you make sure that the one with Canadian Experience possesses all of these skills? After working in Canada for the past 8 years, I can safely say that NOT ALL Canadian Experienced professionals have these skills as well, whether Caucasian, Afro-Canadian, Indian, Middle Eastern, Asian, or European.

This barrier is put forth as a discriminatory tool with the assumption that an 'ABC Singh or Kumar', who just immigrated doesn't know the skills required without giving them a chance to prove themselves in the interviews. When the whole world is shrinking and globalizing, and the skills are more transfereable than ever before, how can you justify this crap well known as 'Canadian Experience'?

More laughable is, when the employers ask for Canadian Experience even for the Retail Customer Service dead-end jobs.

It's not about whether one eventually succeeds or not. Chances are that they will, as human beings are known to be adapbtable, and succumbed to the environment. Some change their fields, other change the outlook. However, it's the stepping pathway that is adamently and intentially filled with gruesome rock and stones, thus halt an individual's motivation, energy, and an urge when starting their new life in a foreign land.

For people who cry out loud to the strugglers 'to get the hell out of here, if you don't like', this is just a rhetoric sans a valid argument. When all else fails, this is what comes out from these 'I know I am an achiever, who is working in my field and successful'.

The trouble and the reality is, we all know there's terribly something wrong with the system. We pull down those that want to initiate to make it good. Just and merely because we are now more successful.

I rest my case, Sire.

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Originally posted by aamir.khawaja.fb

For your information and education, professionals educated at Oxford and Cambridge universities are not recognized in Canada, I know many examples first hand working with new professional immigrants. A lawyer originally from India, won the scholarship of Cambridge University in London, all of her academic life she received academic medals for her excellence even in Cambridge UK, in addition she became the Barrister at law with distinction in London she preferred Canada over UK to settle down and practice her profession. She eventually end up in a call center she worked for six months and eventually got the offer to work in UK and India. She took the best offer from a top law firm in Delhi and went back to India even given up her PR card to Canada. She is a successful lawyer in India and very happy to go back to her profession.

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My question to dimple2001, Since regulated professions are not accepted by the regulated bodies in Canada than why Canadian federal Government accept their credentials at the time of submission of their immigration papers from applicant's country of origin to begin with?

What is the point of giving immigration to regulated professionals to Canada?

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From your example, a lawyer with UK education is not directly recognized in the US as well. Law is a regulated profession, therefore requires the candidate to qualify to the required standards. So is medical and physiotherapist professions. And accountants, if I may add. Of course, your example person could earn a scholarship, since she entered as a student, and of course she'll find a job in UK since UK recognizes their own degree.

I know of someone who was a CA in India and middle east, visited the US, wrote the required exams and what not to qualify for Canadian qualifications (the US exams were accepted in Canada), and then immigrated to Canada. He had no trouble finding a job at Deloitte. I also know a doctor who immigrated to the US as a spouse and to this day is struggling to get her credentials upgraded to the US requirements. She finds it challenging to procure even an unpaid position - mostly due to her lack of communication skills.

I can't sympathize with people who don't put efforts to match the professions' legal requirements.

However, your efforts might be well directed for those individuals that don't fall under regulated professions, where roles are comparable across the globe, and yet suffer through the ridicule of Canadian experience or lack thereof.

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Originally posted by febpreet


So, when an employer asks for the Canadian Experience and tell them they are not recognized in this country; simply means they have been duped by the Govt. This further means, the Govt. agencies are not in sync with the industry here at all. Isn't it strange? Isn't it the Govt's job to identify the sectors that require immigrants' employees specifically? Or, DO NOT bring skilled immigrants at all, if they are not required. Rather, strengthen Student visa program.

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Originally posted by aamir.khawaja.fb


What is the point of giving immigration to regulated professionals to Canada?

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