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Canadian Experience - a systemic unfair employment barrier to newcomers




Fido
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Not sure if this is because of this petition or some other but Ontario Human Rights Commission has officially denounced 'Canadian experience' for new immigrants.

http://www.thestar.com/opinion/commentary/2013/07/16/tearing_down_the_canadian_experience_roadblock.html

I don't think it will change the situation. Ultimately it is demand and supply ..Being in IT you are never asked for your 'Canadian experience' ..Conversely a lot of people are brought in on work permits despite of the lack of 'Canadian experience'.

What new immigrants need to do is to prepare a strategy and work towards their first professions after floating in survival jobs ... Like I said I have known Doctors , Engineers & Accountants who have sprung back after re validating & doing bridge courses ....

What I find as an anomaly is that health care sector has shortages and you have a huge pool of qualified health pro immigrants ... But that sector is not opening up .... it should open up ... now this is independent of anything else .

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Post ID: 205768 16-07-13 10:05:05
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The biggest problem for immigrants and jobs is certainly demand and supply ratio.

But even biggest problem is Federal Government's skilled category's occupation list. The occupation list, based on which skilled professionals immigrate here, should reflect demand in the country. Unfortunately that is not the case. When someone see his/her occupation on LIST, he/she believe that getting job would be very easy in Canada. After immigrating Canada, the reality is different.
There are many example of skilled occupation which kept changing during last 5-6 years in PR category, but one most surprising is IT manager category. We all know IT managers are in demand but it has been delisted since last 4-5 years.
So it is demand supply gap created by Federal government, intentionally or unintentionally!!


 
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http://britishexpats.com/forum/showthread.php?t=803065

British immigrant's forum for this issue.


 
Post ID: 205772 16-07-13 10:39:15
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The Ontario Human Rights Commission (OHRC) on Monday launched a new policy directive denouncing the requirement for so-called Canadian experience as discriminatory.

Some employers are using the Canadian experience requirement as a proxy for discrimination, which they know is illegal. But even when hidden, discrimination in employment is still against the law, OHRC Chief Commissioner Barbara Hall told a news conference.

The policy we are launching can help remove these barriers and give employers and regulatory bodies the tools they need to respect human rights. The starting point . . . is a simple one: insisting on Canadian experience is discrimination under the Human Rights Code.

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http://www.thestar.com/news/queenspark/2013/07/15/demanding_canadian_experience_from_newcomers_may_breach_ontarios_human_rights_code.html

A step in a right direction by The Ontario Human Rights Commission (OHRC).

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Post ID: 205774 16-07-13 11:44:31
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Does this mean, in simple words, if an interviewer is asking question like "Do you have Canadian Experience" or simply stating "You don't seems to have Canadian Experience" - the interviewer is violating the law and can be sued?

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Does this mean, in simple words, if an interviewer is asking question like "Do you have Canadian Experience" or simply stating "You don't seems to have Canadian Experience" - the interviewer is violating the law and can be sued?



Valid question.

Sure, and the applicant could win the case if they can prove he/she suffered irreparable damage because of that question....in a court of law. But we all know which way that would head. It has been proven that a charge of discrimination or racism is very hard to sustain and win since there is a high threshold a plaintiff has to cross in order to win those charges.

It is one thing to charge everything and everyone of racism on a forum, and is another to actually prove it in a court of law.

Anyway, I'd come back to communication skills. If a candidate is asked that question, as I have been too (despite my long experience in the US), the candidate must be able to counter that by highlighting what his/her experiences are and how they relate to the few requirements of the job they are interviewing. Here is the chance to prove and re-assert that accountants, engineers, etc, etc, do the same thing all over the world.

In the absence of that communication skill, it becomes tough for the employer to know and unfortunately vindicates employers' ridiculous assertion of 'lack of cdn expr'.

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Does this mean, in simple words, if an interviewer is asking question like "Do you have Canadian Experience" or simply stating "You don't seems to have Canadian Experience" - the interviewer is violating the law and can be sued?



Absolutely correct, now doors are open to sue the employers who uses such illegal and discriminatory practice. Immigrant's one voice on this issue is making a difference slowly but surely.

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Quote:
Originally posted by aamir.khawaja.fb

Quote:
Originally posted by Surti


Does this mean, in simple words, if an interviewer is asking question like "Do you have Canadian Experience" or simply stating "You don't seems to have Canadian Experience" - the interviewer is violating the law and can be sued?



Absolutely correct, now doors are open to sue the employers who uses such illegal and discriminatory practice. Immigrant's one voice on this issue is making a difference slowly but surely.



At-least the immigrants can warn the employer for asking such questions. I know it might be hard when you are giving an interview and wishful for getting a much needed job, you don't want to mess-up with potential employer, but I think there should be a polite way of denying answering that question at the same time educating the interviewer about the law.


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Post ID: 205783 16-07-13 21:52:29
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At-least the immigrants can warn the employer for asking such questions. I know it might be hard when you are giving an interview and wishful for getting a much needed job, you don't want to mess-up with potential employer, but I think there should be a polite way of denying answering that question at the same time educating the interviewer about the law.




The Ontario Human Rights Commission (OHRC) declaring the "Canadian Experience" practice for hiring as illegal is a step forward to change the mindset of employers, still a long way to go for employers to be open minded about the world experience and adopting it to their workforce. However OHRC decision will now open debate in the corporate board rooms to develop policies which are equatable for every one regardless of the candidates experience comes from where, it should be relevant experience and open to new learning possibilities.

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Post ID: 205789 17-07-13 09:35:34
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Good news to share that so far 1000 + plus new immigrants had signed the petition against Canadian Experience a systemic unfair employment barrier to new comers. This petition is growing fast by the hour with new signatures, If you have not yet signed the petition, I will encourage you strongly to sign the petition below is the link to add your voice to the growing movement against the systemic unfair economic barriers of new immigrants to Canada.

https://www.change.org/en-CA/petitions/the-honourable-dr-kellie-leitch-the-honourable-yasir-naqvi-canadian-experience-a-systemic-unfair-employment-barrier-to-new-comers

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