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Canadian Experience - a systemic unfair employment barrier to newcomers




amitrcanada
Junior Desi
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Dear Aamir,

I thank you for bringing up this topic that soooooo much important and at your face for the professionally qualified immigrants who are ironically young too and can put in so much with their individual capabilities......I agree Canadians called it a land of opportunity where we all were given YES based on our background but it all flushes as soon as you land.......

But canadian employers need to trust the accredited people and their professional talents that is what I wish for all........like wise it is said that Ontario is a major manufacturing province ie major employment comes from it..hence 'factory jobs'. Medicine area people have tough road ahead for sure....

Hanging there guys..even I am....... ;)


 
Post ID: 205723 13-07-13 20:19:55
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aamir.khawaja.fb
Junior Desi
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Dear AmitrCanada, Thank you for your encouraging words, I am hopeful one day as "One Voice" for all new immigrants we will be able to raise new professional immigrant's disparity in economic growth in a more formal and structured document so we can present it to the Canadian policy makers in the federal and provincial government to make an impact on the social and economic lives of new immigrants.

I will encourage every one to join this growing movement to make our voice more vigorous and heard where it matters. So far 945 people have signed up and we can make a difference if more and more people signed up every day.

Here is the link for those who would like to add their voice to this petition.

https://www.change.org/en-CA/petitions/the-honourable-lisa-raitt-the-honourable-yasir-naqvi-canadian-experience-a-systemic-unfair-employment-barrier-to-new-comers

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Post ID: 205728 14-07-13 09:20:26
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dudewheresmycar
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The problem is more about the demand and supply rather than racism. For immigrants from IT and accounting it is much more easier to find jobs because those fields are in demand.

For other professions there are 100s of applications for each post, as a hiring manager, i need a way of cutting the resumes down to a decent number that i can manage. With a significant amount issue like communication skills and unethical practices like doctoring resumes sometimes it becomes very hard for organisations to validate someones experience.


I think the solution is to stop skilled category and promote investment category so that jobs are created that can sustain the immigration.



 
Post ID: 205734 14-07-13 12:36:38
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dimple2001
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The problem is more about the demand and supply rather than racism. For immigrants from IT and accounting it is much more easier to find jobs because those fields are in demand.

For other professions there are 100s of applications for each post, as a hiring manager, i need a way of cutting the resumes down to a decent number that i can manage. With a significant amount issue like communication skills and unethical practices like doctoring resumes sometimes it becomes very hard for organisations to validate someones experience.


I think the solution is to stop skilled category and promote investment category so that jobs are created that can sustain the immigration.




You said it well. Excess supply and mismatch of expectations are driving the current nightmare.

I am fully aware that an accountant, doctor, engineer, etc, etc, etc, etc, do pretty much the same thing worldwide. What I need is a way to verify what the candidate put in the resume. For that, I need to be able to understand the response to my question. Especially, in my field, I don't care about the candidate's theoretical qualifications because the positions I am hiring requires communication skills where one can articulate the responses in a concise manner. If a person is unable to convince me of his/her own resume, what am I supposed to do?

Here is a classic example - I have a supplier who is cut throat and mostly rude. Yet, we have to deal with them. So, the first thing I do is ask a question from one of our prior experience and ask how the candidate would deal the negotiations in that scenario. Many a times I find candidates unable to summarise.

In positions requiring experienced candidates, theoretical qualifications go only so far. Immigrants need to be able to backup their resume/experience with good communication. This is where immigrants coming in as students tend to have a relative advantage as they get to learn the nuances while in relative security of the college environment.

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Post ID: 205739 14-07-13 15:29:16
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vivek901
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I dont think it is fair to say this statement. It is about demand/supply. I would ask this, if a person from a smaller or poorer country than India comes to India what kind of jobs he gets? I believe it is important to understand the culture. By Canadian experience it doesnt mean jobs. It can mean education, volunteering etc. Most of my immigrant/student friends have got jobs and are doing well. This is a free world and I think we cant have a say on whom employers would want to recruit. What I have seen is immigrants dont come here with a proper plan. This planning should start right at the time when they apply for immigration. Immigration is by choice, not compulsion. There are other countries to immigrate as well. Someone told about America, I would ask that person to first get a green card and then talk about the rest. Every country will be protective about its own countrymen. Take Middle East as an example, the locals are always at an advantage. We Indians chose to leave our country but before leaving one should have a plan, on what he/she intends to do and plan B if plan A fails. As I have said in my numerous posts, one can always go back to his/her own country if things dont work out here. It is way better than staying and cribbing here and sign petitions etc.

 
Post ID: 205745 15-07-13 14:00:46
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dhaikin
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true, why bother petitioning, just quit & return to India..

 
Post ID: 205747 15-07-13 14:25:20
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aamir.khawaja.fb
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vivek901, the petitions are filed every day in Canada by Canadians where they see wrong public polices are affecting common people. Similar way new immigrants are very resilient, they are not quitters, they rose to the top in their country of origin that is why Canadian immigration awarded them with Canadian immigration. These professional immigrants are not high school drop outs they are very hard working professionals and want to contribute in Canada with their knowledge and expertise.

They are not afraid of competition because they have beaten all odds in their lives before coming to Canada. According to a Statistics Canada report in 2006, 36 per cent of immigrants aged 25 to 54 years had at least a bachelor's degree, compared with 22 per cent among native-born Canadians. But the unemployment rate is 11.4 per cent among immigrants and only 2.9 per cent among native-born Canadians with the same qualifications.

I can understand few born Canadians have their own fear towards higher academics of new professional immigrants because they know in the near future they will not be able to compete with the new professional immigrants.

I think Statistics Canada report in 2006 states quite bit, however if you are not satisfied then read the comments at the petition so far 950 plus people have commented and express their view in the petition.

Here is the link for your information.

https://www.change.org/en-CA/petitions/the-honourable-lisa-raitt-the-honourable-yasir-naqvi-canadian-experience-a-systemic-unfair-employment-barrier-to-new-comers

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Post ID: 205754 15-07-13 18:49:36
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vivek901
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Well I still do not agree with this because I have seen that if you have right skills and the occupation has demand, you will still get a job. All my friends who are from India have got jobs. People who did MBA with me in Canada have got jobs in salary ranges of 85K-110K. I know people from India have succeeded without any education in Canada. One needs to know what should be done. Just being merely qualified does not help. You need to be smart as well. By saying this I mean the following,

1. Do the ground work before coming to Canada ( Internet today gives all information)
2. Have plan B in place, dont leave everything in India and come here. Dont make this a life changing event at first go.
3. If you don't like it or things don't work out keep the option of going back open.
4. Don't take sunk costs ever into account, which is the golden rule in decision making.
5. Make rational decisions rather than emotional.


 
Post ID: 205756 15-07-13 22:36:11
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vivek901
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The article mentions about Thorncliffe Park Drive, I am from Thorncliffe Park Drive and I have been living here for past 10 months. I have nothing against the area, but people have still not adapted to the Canadian way of living, i.e. following certain rules, keeping environment clean. How can you expect to be employed? The average number of people per household is 4-5. How can you expect a great living in that? I think Thorncliffe is a wrong example. I don't think a particular area in toronto can define things about Canada. Thorncliffe is a big big exception. Also people here are unemployed by choice I feel which no one can help. If things are so bad in Thorncliffe why don't people move out? It is because people feel good about themselves when they see that many more people are unemployed. You can progress only when you see positive side of things which does not happen. If thorncliffe is so bad, then why there are so many people from south asia who have established business in the area such as iqbal foods etc. People who see opportunity see opportunity in everything. People who want to complain will always keep complaining


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Originally posted by aamir.khawaja.fb

vivek901, the petitions are filed every day in Canada by Canadians where they see wrong public polices are affecting common people. Similar way new immigrants are very resilient, they are not quitters, they rose to the top in their country of origin that is why Canadian immigration awarded them with Canadian immigration. These professional immigrants are not high school drop outs they are very hard working professionals and want to contribute in Canada with their knowledge and expertise.

They are not afraid of competition because they have beaten all odds in their lives before coming to Canada. According to a Statistics Canada report in 2006, 36 per cent of immigrants aged 25 to 54 years had at least a bachelor's degree, compared with 22 per cent among native-born Canadians. But the unemployment rate is 11.4 per cent among immigrants and only 2.9 per cent among native-born Canadians with the same qualifications.

I can understand few born Canadians have their own fear towards higher academics of new professional immigrants because they know in the near future they will not be able to compete with the new professional immigrants.

I think Statistics Canada report in 2006 states quite bit, however if you are not satisfied then read the comments at the petition so far 950 plus people have commented and express their view in the petition.

Here is the link for your information.

https://www.change.org/en-CA/petitions/the-honourable-lisa-raitt-the-honourable-yasir-naqvi-canadian-experience-a-systemic-unfair-employment-barrier-to-new-comers</font>


 
Post ID: 205757 15-07-13 22:46:39
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aamir.khawaja.fb
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vivek901, Thorncliffe Park was quoted as an example only, however let me show you a recent report published by The Ontario Human Rights Commission (OHRC), my arguments are based on facts and figures, your are simply observation on few people.

Below is the information taken from The Ontario Human Rights Commission (OHRC) website and posted here some of it for your information and awareness.
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Canada is home to immigrants[1] from all over the world. Seen as a place of opportunity, peace and democratic governance, Canada has been able to attract highly-skilled immigrants. In return, Canadas culture, society and economy have been greatly enriched by their contributions.

With its aging population, shrinking birthrate, and shortage of skilled labour, Canada relies on the contributions of immigrants for its economic well-being. In the modern global economy, immigrants with foreign experience can increase Canadas international competitiveness by enhancing the countrys diversity advantage.[2]

Therefore, it is a major concern when recent immigrants to Canada face high rates of both underemployment and unemployment. Statistics Canada reported that between 1991 and 2006, the proportion of immigrants with a university degree in jobs with low educational requirements (such as clerks, truck drivers, salespersons, cashiers, and taxi drivers) increased.[3] Even after being in Canada for fifteen years, immigrants with a university degree are still more likely than the native-born to be in low-skilled jobs.[4]

Immigrant groups identify many barriers to finding jobs that correspond to their education, skills and experience. These include:

employers not recognizing foreign credentials and experience
language and communication difficulties (particularly relating to occupational jargon[5])
employers not helping them integrate into the workplace and not providing job-related learning opportunities
being rejected for positions because they are thought to be overqualified
arbitrary requirements for Canadian experience[6]
outright discrimination.[7]

While the Ontario Human Rights Commission (OHRC) recognizes the significance of all of the barriers newcomers potentially face when trying to access the job market, this policy will focus on Canadian experience as an employment or accreditation requirement, and as a practice that raises human rights concerns. The OHRCs position is that a strict requirement for Canadian experience is prima facie discrimination (discrimination on its face) and can only be used in very limited circumstances. The onus will be on employers and regulatory bodies to show that a requirement for prior work experience in Canada is a bona fide requirement, based on the legal test this policy sets out.

The Ontario Human Rights Code (the Code) states that it is public policy in Ontario to recognize the inherent dignity and worth of every person and to provide for equal rights and opportunities without discrimination. The Code aims to create a climate of understanding and mutual respect, so that each person feels that they belong in the community and can contribute to it.

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http://www.ohrc.on.ca/en/policy-removing-%E2%80%9Ccanadian-experience%E2%80%9D-barrier

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