What does "Labour Job" mean in Canada?
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Location: Toronto, ON, Canada
Posted on: 05-11-03 12:13:48
This is a very interesting discussion. All these years in Canada, I've met many guys like Chandresh who is not willing to accept the "canadian market requirement".
Posted by Chor_Per_Mor
"- don't mention India - what about people who come to Canada directly from India (and many of them would have had their first foreign trip)
I am not sure what exactly you are saying here."
Ok Chandresh, answer is that people who have ventured their step abroad for the very first time and have landed right here very well know that their Desi degrees and experience could help them get visa to canada but it is good for nothing, call it garbage. As per Mr.chor pe chor and Mr.Lobsters' comments, these people have to find their way up. These people come here mentally prepared to do ANY job. Some of them who do not come prepared, get straightened up within no time in "canadian job market".
Chandresh, I feel that if you knew the "canadian market" well before coming here for the first time, things would have been different now.
The day you firstly landed here, you were forced to accept the following:
-just forget your foreign (high cadre)experience
-forget that you are a CA and never mention it anywhere(Accounttemps had asked my bro-in-law to remove CA from his resume. They said IT IS MISGUIDING. Employers think that you are a Canadian CA)
-get registerd for Canadian CA or CGA ( as mentioned earlier, it is very difficult to get a CA student job in one of those firms in GTA approved by CA institute). Ideally CGA is a better choice. But in level 4 &5 CGA, you are required to do a senior acctg. job. Hence, getting acctg. job is imperative.
-learn SAP/Oracle/Peoplesoft and try to get acctg. job, meanwhile do odd jobs.
Chandresh, I fully understand that a Person of your profile WILL NOT accept the above facts. COME WHAT MAY, you do not want to forget that you are a Finance Prof. of international class. Unfortunately, whatever is mentioned above is a reality and one has to face it in order to survive in this country. I have met foreign trained experienced renowned(back home)Cardiac Surgeons who are in Dire conditions in Canada.
As chor per mor correctly said, "Canadian Market" dictates "TAKE IT OR FORGET IT"
We have no say!!!
Hello friends,
I am sorry to say you guys are misinterpreting my posts. I fully agree with the requirements of \"Canadian Experience\" - what I am asking is how can one remove his experience of other countries FOR HIS FIRST - let me repeat, F I R S T JOB IN CANADA - IT COULD BE A SECURITY GUARD, OR FACTORY LABOUR or a food outlet etc. etc. Secondly, If you are called for the first job which is in the first month of your landing, how can you stretch your working experience in Canada to a few months???
I am perhaps one of the very few persons who came mentally prepared to do odd jobs - firstly because I had stayed in Canada for a month just to explore and understand things before finally deciding to relocate here after 8 months, and secondly because I have my own sister and brother in law in US who did the same things when they first came to US. And I came with the budget in mind that I will have to survive on minimum wages (about C$7 was my base) FOR THREE YEARS or more.
I have not only worked at KK, but also with Indian accounting firm at $10, with an Indian businessman at $8 (simply writing manual cheques!! and then not getting paid for 6 months) - to be able to collect \"Canadian Experience\" on my resume.
So I do recognise the value of CANADIAN EXPERIENCE - but I do not understand how you wipe off your other countries' experience? If not in resume, you will have to tell them in interview because they will immidiately know you are not a \"LOCAL\"
Anyway- this topic is not for my personal life - I was and will always be open to share it with others including my old friends overseas, who are amazed to know of my jobless (or underemployment) state in Canada. All I want to share is what you asked for - personal experience about labour jobs.
My message to wanting to be Canadian PRs - do not think that labour jobs are easy, they are neither easy to do, nor easy to get. And above all that, socially it is extremely difficult for MOST people to face their friends and relations (both here and back home ofcourse) when they are in such conditions. Financially you are in bad shape with these labour jobs, but mentally and psycologically, it cuts many a people off from their loved ones. (Log kya Kahenge???).
While for some people, the tough life in Canada is better than the miserable life in India - while for many others, it is the other way round - the tough life in India is better than the miserable life in Canada. So one has to be very careful in deciding what he wants out of migrating to Canada?
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Chandresh
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Location: Toronto, ON, Canada
Posted on: 06-11-03 00:31:53
After Y2K and 9/11 world has changed. Before Y2K, the term "canadian experience" was selective. Economy was good and job situation was not bad. It was easy to get entry level jobs in most of the fields. As of today, a newly landed is directly competing with canadian born/raised/educated for jobs in almost all the fields. Among my friends and family, there are quite a few canadian born IT Engrs, MBA(fin), etc... gotten layed off for over a year and are madly looking for jobs!! They too are in real bad shape. As one of us correctly mentioned earlier, an employer would prefer to hire one of these locals over an immigrant.
Back to the original question "how to get a labor/odd job"
In the US, it is not very difficult for a newcomer to get odd job because the indian business community is vast. Especially in Gujju community, you can get a motel/store job without any hassles.
So far we do not see such widespread indian businesses in Canada.
I think I saw only one job posting by the motel owner on this website.
Do these small or large scale indian businessmen have some kind of association?? (I know that there is some association of chinese businessmen) If so, we should contact them and request them to post "ANY" available job on this website and render some help to our countrymen.
Hi Chandresh
The art of stretching the Canadian experience even if you have none is something that depends on each individual and circumstances. Thats something each person has to figure out himself. BUt let me tell you, I know of so many people who did it and are successfully integrated in job market today.
Your posts are not really personal and they apply equally to many new immigrants so your input is most welcome.
I am surprised to know that you were ofered jobs in first week of landing................I have never heard anything like that.
Another very important thing you mentioned is that people with recognize that you are new even if you claim you have canadian experince. Thats where your adapatability and keen sense of perception comes in play my friend. Thats where the biggest reason why desis fail to get good jobs in Canada lies.
And Guju C The main difference between US and Canada is that employers are willing to train in US whereas in Canada not only they want you to have experince, they want you to have Canadian experience.
It is several times easier to find a lobor job in US than in Canada.
And this truly is a gem of thought by Chandresh
"My message to wanting to be Canadian PRs - do not think that labour jobs are easy, they are neither easy to do, nor easy to get. And above all that, socially it is extremely difficult for MOST people to face their friends and relations (both here and back home ofcourse) when they are in such conditions. Financially you are in bad shape with these labour jobs, but mentally and psycologically, it cuts many a people off from their loved ones. (Log kya Kahenge???)."
Yes indeed the jobs are too difficult and most of all EXTREMLY demoralising. I dont agree with log kya kahenge part..thats a cultural complex some Indians have. It is dumb on their part to transplant their non sense ideas to another continent. Work is work and there should be no shame in doing whatever what is available. The problem is that these jobs are first of all too demoralising and tiring and secondly not easy to obtain either.
Its a pity that out of some 1600 members of this board, just half a dozen have decided to share their input.
Where are the others?
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Orginally posted by Chor_Per_Mor
I dont agree with log kya kahenge part..thats a cultural complex some Indians have. ...
exactly!! why bring that luggage here too. Its difficult as it is without having to worry about what people say. In my opinion we are too obsessed by what we do for a living and hence choose to be defined by it. When one is defined by what they do rather than who they are (yes 2 very different things), it becomes really difficult to handle when the one thing that you base your identity on is taken away. I cannot get around the statistics (i cannot find the link) that more people are likely to commit suicide due to layoffs than the loss of a child. Shows us how our priorities lie as a society.
BTW: In my experience its mostly south asian and/or immigrants who ask the question 'what do you do for a living?' within the first five minutes of being introduced to them (and i'm not talking about networking situations). Makes me uncomfortable when I have just met the person. Why ask that question?
Most other peoples take atleast half hr or a couple of meetings to arrive at that point.
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Orginally posted by jake3d
BTW: In my experience its mostly south asian and/or immigrants who ask the question 'what do you do for a living?' within the first five minutes of being introduced to them (and i'm not talking about networking situations). Makes me uncomfortable when I have just met the person. Why ask that question?
Most other peoples take atleast half hr or a couple of meetings to arrive at that point.
That's one thing about people from our community
. That curiosity factor about what the other guy is upto is undeniably higher amongst us. I guess it has a lot to do with the culture back home in India, it being so informal. Concepts of people needing their "space" aren't that popular.Interesting discussion on Canadian experience. My personal opinion is canadian experience is important, but there are ways around it. I have heard of cases in which people are told in the second interview that they can't be hired because they don't have Canadian experience. In this situation, it should be obvious that the employer is using Canadian experience as an excuse, frankly he/she didn't think you'd fit the bill as an employee.
I have a friend who came straight from India (IT guy) and with no networking or contacts, found a 80K job in 2 mos. He had no Canadian experience and came in Dec 2001, when the market was at its worst. But his communication and presentation skills + technical knowledge were flawless.
This may not be applicable to every field, but I do believe that if an interviewer is impressed by your skills and communcation, they will put aside the fact that you don't have Canadian experience.
And as Chor Per Mor pointed out, it is disturbing that out of 1600 odd members, only a select few have shared their experiences. Where are the others??? We need your input, whatever it may be.
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