Posted on: 10-01-15 20:25:59
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Originally posted by Full House
What is your Atheist opinion on French cartoon? Would u recommend people to see that and enjoy?
I will leave the question out of the equation... I will say that there are Biographers and then there are celebrities who are BIOGRAPHERS. they write well. It does not matter who they claim or say as the SUPREMO and NO OTHER ahead of him. It is all in every book. Claims besides, imposing it upon others is absurd. I will never cross swords with any one. I do have a choice.
It is O.K. to read and get to know all of it. People should weigh their writing before they post it, either it be in a cartoon form or as a tale. It does not matter if it is Danish, French or even British or Arabic. After having published the material, if they retract it, will they be forgiven, or accept their apologies?
When TWO Head Strong people lock in their horns, we expect to see some FIRE fly at each other. Now we also know that they have incited others to an extent, that they will sacrifice their own life for a cause, it does not matter in which country. Once they lay down their lives for a cause, unless you win or be in a position of vantage, I will say that there is no place to hide or there is no one who will protect you. So, take care of your own back side.
In this case, the Pen is Mightier than the Sword.
Some people do not know how to say a Joke.
And some people do not know how to Take a joke.
Life goes on. I rest my case.
FH.
Nice response as usual and as expected. Thoughtful and very balanced.
However, I would disagree with you that "In this case, the Pen is Mightier than the Sword." After what happened to Theo Von and now to infamous Mohammad Cartoon publishers, others would refrain for sure. Do u recall SNL cancelled their telecast and wetted their pants after the threat? If you follow debate in India, you would know that almost everybody unanimously agree that freedom of expression is subject to limits. They are all shitting in their pants. What they did not say but which is obvious to any person with reasonable IQ is that do not piss off Islamist. Funny enough, people like Javed Akhtar even condemned Hindu for MFH. Lol! Nobody told that idiot that MFH fled to evade legal prosecution and dodge tax demands. NYT, a radical Islamist newspaper also, while paying lip service to FoE, refused to publish cartoon. I believe if you pursue articles and opinions in the world, you may revise your opinion about In this case, the Pen is Mightier than the Sword. Thanks anyway.
I posed the question for those who have all gone ga ga over PK. I just wanted to needle them over their fake secularism. With San-hugo ji's rejoinder I got 50% response. Waiting for couple of his acolytes to attack me.
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Originally posted by Nightmare
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Not sure if my opinion matters, particularly when I am struggling to fit myself to any of the divided groups of this world.
It did not make me laugh neither angered me. there was nothing to laugh. It is more satirical, so bit amusing. Reads like a comic book.
Lol! Well, I liked and loved those cartoons. I have pasted a link of my facebook too. There, it proves we have different values and tastes.
I was pretty sure of your response. You have faked your Atheism for long on this site but there are a few of us who know where your sympathy is. You never let go any opportunity to attack Hindu and Hinduism. Anyway, it is your right and prerogative. Well, thanks for proving me right.
LoL, So one who did not LAUGH (and was only amused) at Mohammad's cartoon is ant-hindu and attacked hinduism. What a logic !!. No doubt, religion promotes dumbness. Testified and Approved ! Jeetey raho ! Ashirvaad.
PS : The reason I responded to the question is because I like the topic and have very strong viewpoint against all religions. Though I expected you will again resort to name calling lacking logic and points. So my responses will restrict to only these 2 posts. Will not respond to you Now.
Very interesting responses.
If pK was ok by secularists then why this Malayalam movie held up in censors since last 2 years by Chief Leela Samson who defended pK certification and release.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/malayalam/movies/news/Two-years-on-Malayalam-film-awaits-Censor-Board-clearance/articleshow/45776647.cms
Read the CBFC comment on the hold up. Isn't Ms.Leela Samson biased towards one religion.
By the way the other person who is a darling of mine is Pope Francis. He is reforming the church like nobody's business. The church has accepted evolution, Big Bang theory and moved away subtly from Adam & Eve and women created from mans hip bone. Hope he will bring lady priests and accept homosexuals into the church.
Hinduism reflects evolution by the various avatars of Vishnu and our own Omkara is from Big Bang.
Hinduism accepts homosexuality and LGBT by the way of aradhanari.
Every other religion Gods are male, while Hinduism is one of the few which accepts female gods.
Ridiculing another religion is not my goal but will defend it from my own people who were Hindus a few generations ago. Mr.omar Abdullah of J&K accepts that his forefathers were sarAswath Brahmins.
Incidentally pK climax was shot in Art of Living centre of Sri sri sri Ravishankarji ashram in Bangalore.
A sadhu letting a movie which ridicules his kind.
Go figure the secularism as it happens only in India!
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Sunny Leone a true Canadian DESI now back in India !.
This is for all lovers of PK
At my workplace, there are lots of Indians. PK has piqued the interest and naturally a topic of discussion. Now I have earned the fame at my workplace. Someone asked me whether I saw PK and whether I liked it. I knew that guy was all for PK. I said I liked PK-II. It is a fantastic movie. He was confused and said what are you referring to by PK-II? I said that yes, I am writing script for PK-II where the dwarf alien Aamir lands in “no-go- country” Pakistan. Then the fun starts and his curiosity is duly rewarded by him getting sodomized. He loves it so much that he decides to stay back in Pakistan forever. He becomes the poster bride of Jehadi fighting on Kashmir front. My script is done about 10%. I would request all lovers of PK to contribute in my endeavor. Thanks in advance.
Francois gautier on pK.
http://francoisgautier.me
A French man defending Hindu gurus!.
ABOUT #PK & HINDU GURUS
Posted on January 6, 2015 by François Gautier | 16 comments
Many of my Hindu friends, intelligent, cultured people, whom I respect, have loved the film PK.
This set me thinking: I know that most Hindus do not mind being made fun off and that their religion allows for near unlimited tolerance.
But nevertheless, as a friend of the #Hindus, here are my arguments:
1) Obviously would have never dared making fun of Islam and its Prophet Mohamed. Not only Amir is a Muslim, who though he married a Hindu, brings up his kids as Muslims and goes to Mecca, but he also knows that there would have been all India riots against him and the cinemas that showed #PK.
2) Where does the tradition of making fun and running down Hindu Gurus originate? Not from Amir Khan, not from Bollywood, not even from Nehru – but from the British, who found that Hinduism was the biggest stumbling block to their conquering the hearts, bodies and minds of Indians. Had not Hindus survived the biggest Holocaust ever of our human history – that of the Islamic invasions and kept their faith? How to undermine Hindus? Macaulay and a few peers, such as the redoubtable Lord Curzon, found that the best way was to go after their gurus and demean them. As French historian Alain Danielou noted in his “Histoire de l’Inde”: “the British missionaries and the English Media kept on floating rumours in British controlled newspapers about Hindu gurus performing black magic, of financial fraud, of sexual scandals, etc”. Has anything changed today? Today those who attack Hindu gurus, are just blindly following like puppets a trend set by the British, without understanding what they are doing.
3) What is the truth about Hindu Gurus? The majority of Hindu gurus I have met in 45 years in India, are all genuine. I remember how Osho (formerly Rajneesh) was made fun of in the Indian Press, his Rolls Royces, his sex affairs, how he was imprisoned in the States, etc. It’s only today when you read his books or listen to his tapes, that you understand how deep the guy was.
There is always talk of castes abuses in India by western Indologists, but look at Amrita Anandamayi, from Kerala, who comes from the lowest caste possible & is illiterate: all kind of Brahmins & upper caste Hindus have been bowing down at her feet for decades, she has built one of the most modern hospitals in India, schools, a full fledged university and keeps radiating love around the world.
So much trash has been poured on Satya Sai Baba by the Indian Media, but whoever met him, could not help feeling that he or she was in the presence of something greater, and unexplained. Swami Ramdev is a genuine guru, who has millions of disciples, yet the Congress maligned him repeatedly and even imprisoned him, albeit briefly..
Many of our friends, intellectual people; think that Sri Sri Ravi Shankar is a ‘commercial’ guru. What is the truth? is the most selfless person I know: his whole life has been spent doing sewa, he has so many charity projects, including a remarkable university in Orissa, that he is always stretched for money. He himself lives in a simple cottage and uses an ordinary Innova. He has helped countless people, from naxalites to kashmiris and even recently made a dangerous trip to Iraq to meet the persecuted Yazidis. The man deserves the Novel Peace Prize, because he does a hundred times more what Satyarthi does.
4) If you have an enemy, wish him to be a guru. There is no tougher job in the world, you never have a moment for yourself, you have to give something all the time, you sleep little, you have no privacy, people chase you up to your bedroom and ask the most ridiculous things: about their daughters’ marriage, sons exams, love life… Today Hindu gurus they are thrown into jails at the least accusation and stay there, while mullahs who preach secessions are allowed to remain scot free and corrupt politicians who have looted the country of thousands of crores, like Raja or Karunanidhi’s daughter, only spend a few months in jail.
In conclusion, it is wrong to attack Hindu Gurus. The tradition of Gurudom is ancient and revered in India, it has worked for millenniums and it still does today. They may be a few rotten apples, but on the whole 90% of the gurus in India, big and small, are genuine and do God’s work. By attacking the institution of Gurudom, Amir Khan is attacking something very sacred that is dear to a billion of Hindus. Behind Amir Khan the secular friendly guy, there is a hostile Sunni Muslim.
THESE ATTACKS AGAINST HINDU GURUS HAVE GOT TO STOP
Francois Gautier
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Originally posted by Vandematram
Francois gautier on pK.
http://francoisgautier.me
A French man defending Hindu gurus!.
ABOUT #PK & HINDU GURUS
Posted on January 6, 2015 by François Gautier | 16 comments
Many of my Hindu friends, intelligent, cultured people, whom I respect, have loved the film PK.
This set me thinking: I know that most Hindus do not mind being made fun off and that their religion allows for near unlimited tolerance.
But nevertheless, as a friend of the #Hindus, here are my arguments:
1) Obviously would have never dared making fun of Islam and its Prophet Mohamed. Not only Amir is a Muslim, who though he married a Hindu, brings up his kids as Muslims and goes to Mecca, but he also knows that there would have been all India riots against him and the cinemas that showed #PK.
2) Where does the tradition of making fun and running down Hindu Gurus originate? Not from Amir Khan, not from Bollywood, not even from Nehru – but from the British, who found that Hinduism was the biggest stumbling block to their conquering the hearts, bodies and minds of Indians. Had not Hindus survived the biggest Holocaust ever of our human history – that of the Islamic invasions and kept their faith? How to undermine Hindus? Macaulay and a few peers, such as the redoubtable Lord Curzon, found that the best way was to go after their gurus and demean them. As French historian Alain Danielou noted in his “Histoire de l’Inde”: “the British missionaries and the English Media kept on floating rumours in British controlled newspapers about Hindu gurus performing black magic, of financial fraud, of sexual scandals, etc”. Has anything changed today? Today those who attack Hindu gurus, are just blindly following like puppets a trend set by the British, without understanding what they are doing.
3) What is the truth about Hindu Gurus? The majority of Hindu gurus I have met in 45 years in India, are all genuine. I remember how Osho (formerly Rajneesh) was made fun of in the Indian Press, his Rolls Royces, his sex affairs, how he was imprisoned in the States, etc. It’s only today when you read his books or listen to his tapes, that you understand how deep the guy was.
There is always talk of castes abuses in India by western Indologists, but look at Amrita Anandamayi, from Kerala, who comes from the lowest caste possible & is illiterate: all kind of Brahmins & upper caste Hindus have been bowing down at her feet for decades, she has built one of the most modern hospitals in India, schools, a full fledged university and keeps radiating love around the world.
So much trash has been poured on Satya Sai Baba by the Indian Media, but whoever met him, could not help feeling that he or she was in the presence of something greater, and unexplained. Swami Ramdev is a genuine guru, who has millions of disciples, yet the Congress maligned him repeatedly and even imprisoned him, albeit briefly..
Many of our friends, intellectual people; think that Sri Sri Ravi Shankar is a ‘commercial’ guru. What is the truth? is the most selfless person I know: his whole life has been spent doing sewa, he has so many charity projects, including a remarkable university in Orissa, that he is always stretched for money. He himself lives in a simple cottage and uses an ordinary Innova. He has helped countless people, from naxalites to kashmiris and even recently made a dangerous trip to Iraq to meet the persecuted Yazidis. The man deserves the Novel Peace Prize, because he does a hundred times more what Satyarthi does.
4) If you have an enemy, wish him to be a guru. There is no tougher job in the world, you never have a moment for yourself, you have to give something all the time, you sleep little, you have no privacy, people chase you up to your bedroom and ask the most ridiculous things: about their daughters’ marriage, sons exams, love life… Today Hindu gurus they are thrown into jails at the least accusation and stay there, while mullahs who preach secessions are allowed to remain scot free and corrupt politicians who have looted the country of thousands of crores, like Raja or Karunanidhi’s daughter, only spend a few months in jail.
In conclusion, it is wrong to attack Hindu Gurus. The tradition of Gurudom is ancient and revered in India, it has worked for millenniums and it still does today. They may be a few rotten apples, but on the whole 90% of the gurus in India, big and small, are genuine and do God’s work. By attacking the institution of Gurudom, Amir Khan is attacking something very sacred that is dear to a billion of Hindus. Behind Amir Khan the secular friendly guy, there is a hostile Sunni Muslim.
THESE ATTACKS AGAINST HINDU GURUS HAVE GOT TO STOP
Francois Gautier
wow! Great anlysis. Quite impressed. Thanks VM
Thank you VM.... every word made sense.
