What's your take on tip/s?
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Posted on: 15-11-11 13:40:49
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Originally posted by Fido
Where does morality come into question here btw ??
You know it very well that a waiter is expecting a tip for serving you. Is that wrong from waiter's part? No because that job warrants the tip. Now you know it very well that he will be disappointed/sad to see that no tip is offered. When your actions make someone feel hurt isn't it immoral? Students support their living considering the tip as part of their income.
Again tip is so integral part of this job, not giving tip is actually taking away someone's earned income. With office job no one expects a tip..it never is a part of job so even if someone offers tip to you, you may not accept it or you may not even like it because that job is not meant to get tip.
So you can very well get away with the argument that I don't expect tip for doing my job, the fact is that it is not expected to get the tip for that job.
A similar norm in India is bribery where people expect 'chai pani' to do their job .... I guess you would find it immoral not to pay bribes in India then by the same logic .. Or is bribery also equal to tipping per you.... since thats also an expectation , a norm & a culture as well as an income add on .
The Q remains - is it right for a person to expect extra from the customer / client / employer for doing his job for which he is paid wages ....
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Fido.
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Originally posted by Fido
A similar norm in India is bribery where people expect 'chai pani' to do their job .... I guess you would find it immoral not to pay bribes in India then by the same logic .. Or is bribery also equal to tipping per you.... since thats also an expectation , a norm & a culture as well as an income add on .
The Q remains - is it right for a person to expect extra from the customer / client / employer for doing his job for which he is paid wages ....
See that is the thing..you are comparing India's culture...You need to make a peace that employees take this job mainly for tip and not for fixed salary. In India, till few years back waiter did not expect tip because it was part of their job. This is not India. but beware, now in India as well... if you don't tip well enough, the waiters will give the money back to you
, some may not even hesitate to grab your collar. Here at least they will keep quite or give looks.As far as bribery is concerned..you know it is wrong..but there your work will not get done if someone is expecting bribe and you don;t give. It is enforced. It is immoral to give the bribe..whereas it is immoral not to give tip. It is illegal to bribe, but it right thing to do to give tip. Black and white, apples and oranges. Bribe is taken by putting a gun on your head, more tip is expected by serving you well. Bribe is taken before hand, tip is expected after your satisfcation.
I am not sure what your age is, but mark my words, you will be proud of your child when he/she is working in a restaurant to support her advanced studies in a renowned university. If this becomes true we both will go to the same restaurant and award a handsome tip for doing the great job: taking responsibility and studying. (I will pay the bill and you pay the tip).
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Originally posted by bhootnath
Now you know it very well that he will be disappointed/sad to see that no tip is offered. When your actions make someone feel hurt isn't it immoral?
It is very surprising that the feelings are hurt and the morality is questioned if there is no tip, but nobody thinks about the morality if the offered pay is below the minimum wage.
I fail to understand where does the morality come into the picture here. And, feelings? Come on! I feel bad when I have to pay more than what's listed on the menu. Don't my feelings count as well?
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Originally posted by Fido
A similar norm in India is bribery where people expect 'chai pani' to do their job .... I guess you would find it immoral not to pay bribes in India then by the same logic .. Or is bribery also equal to tipping per you.... since thats also an expectation , a norm & a culture as well as an income add on .
The Q remains - is it right for a person to expect extra from the customer / client / employer for doing his job for which he is paid wages ....
Tip is a legal income and bribe is not. If you declare tip as an additional income in ur tax return then there is nothing wrong. Try to declare bribe as an additional income you will learn the difference.
Whats their in the name ? It appears both are alike by the definition on this thread .
It is given for services provided .
It adds on to income .
It makes some one happy.
A tip should be something which a person gives out of his own wishes and not an expectation or a norm . Then it would make sense .
But when you try bringing in morality and coercion and norm and custom then I am afraid it starts taking other meanings ...
Go take your wages from your employer and not from your client who is anyway patronizing your service by using them .
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Fido.
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