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Posted on: 24-06-09 10:54:26
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Originally posted by web2000
If they don't do job at $5/hr and just come as a visitor spend their money here, u would have no problem. So the question is not of legal/illegal entry. We are shouting because they are taking up our jobs. I tell you that even if the govt saturates this country with unwanted immigrants [even they have PR status], you will have trouble.
The q is not about taking away of jobs .. but the SLY MANNER in which they are being taken away ..... You get immigrants on PR and then there are no questions / shouting as that is a legitimate route ...
As immigrants you are legally entitled to do work here , as visitors you are not ...... Thats precisely the point being discussed and nothing else . Please read the original post again .
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Fido.
Bottom line - Canada has got work permits laws in place (or so I assume) that only those foreigners would be called in who have skills not available in Canada ....
The work around these companies are using is visit visa . Calling some one on a visit visa and enagaging them on full projects is misrepresentation and illegal . I sincerely wish we could bring a couple of these to the public / media eye and hopefully there will be a storm which can keep others at bay and hence might do some damage control .
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Although I don't have any solution for this since I am still not in Canada at this time, I would like to chip in my opinion too 
This happens in pretty much all developed countries. And whoever who is arguing that this does not happen in Canada, that is BS. Take Australia, UK, US or other developed country..I always read protests about bringing in cheap labor in IT to displace local work force. Sometimes legally and sometimes illegally. Sadly, this is true.
Another main difference between PR and Work permit is, PR comes here and buys up real estate, invests in business here, gets married, have children, children go to school here. So all these things add up to the total GDP. Work permits are usually single men, who want to save money and go back to their country and invest there etc. Of course we can always find exceptions in both categories. But lets talk about majority here.
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It seems you missed the point .
The Q ia about WPs & Visitors VS PRs & Citizens . If you are a PR you are very well eligible to the worforce . The problem comes when PR s with same skills are not having opportunities since the jobs are being dished outside .
What difference does it make if somebody enters the country as a PR or on a WP? The natives will always cry foul that immigrants are coming in hordes and taking away their jobs or stiffening the competition. Funny part is that now you being on the other side of the desk, speak the same language. That my friend, is the point.
You obviously don't know what you are speaking. A person with PR has an obligation to live in Canada . These are people who are committed to permanently living here with families and are people who often left good careers to make Canada their own country
And a person in WP has no such obligation to live here in Canada certain number of days. Besides as per law the employer is supposed to look for some one who is a Citizen or PR before granting a WP
Ditto . Some people don't know what they are speaking about ......... Perceptions do change when you change sides ..... Thats transition .....
Finally you know what I meant by being on the other side of the desk. See, it wasn't hard.. you just need to make the extra effort...blame it on the weak cells..
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There s a lot of difference b/w coming as a PR and working and coming as a visitor and working - the same difference b/w legal and illegal and you've got to be a moron if you can't tell the difference .
Of course you have to be a moron if you can't tell the difference...or in your case...read properly. This is from your post that I replied to.."How can you bring people in a particular technology from outside when sufficient skill is available with in the country ?"
We were discussing why would companies hire foreign workers and not those who come to the country on visitors visa and over stay illegally. Am sure you can find a mirror nearby, that would help you looking at a moron and thus straighten up your definition a little bit.
And talking about legality, one has to get a LMO in order to hire a foreign worker, which is provided by Service Canada, a government entity. And the LMO is issued only when the stats show that there is actually a shortage of that particular skill.
Some people come here on a WP and then steer towards getting the permanent residency, which is a faster way. Just because someone waited for x number of years outside Canada to get a PR doesn't mean that other people can't take the faster route.
Even if someone applies for a PR from outside Canada, there is a category called 'arranged employment' category, which allows a person to fast track his/her application if they already have secured a job. Now be a baby again and cry out loud that the government should not allow people to immigrate under that category as there a lot of unemployed people already in Canada.
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Originally posted by Fido
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Originally posted by web2000
If they don't do job at $5/hr and just come as a visitor spend their money here, u would have no problem. So the question is not of legal/illegal entry. We are shouting because they are taking up our jobs. I tell you that even if the govt saturates this country with unwanted immigrants [even they have PR status], you will have trouble.
As immigrants you are legally entitled to do work here , as visitors you are not ...... Thats precisely the point being discussed and nothing else . Please read the original post again .
I think that u need to read the original post. They are not visitors. They come on work permit as the OP described.
So work permit is legal activity and they got right to work here at any competitive prices which we don't digest.
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Originally posted by Iknownothing
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Originally posted by brown_bear
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Originally posted by Iknownothing
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Originally posted by Fido
It seems you missed the point .
The Q ia about WPs & Visitors VS PRs & Citizens . If you are a PR you are very well eligible to the worforce . The problem comes when PR s with same skills are not having opportunities since the jobs are being dished outside .
What difference does it make if somebody enters the country as a PR or on a WP? The natives will always cry foul that immigrants are coming in hordes and taking away their jobs or stiffening the competition. Funny part is that now you being on the other side of the desk, speak the same language. That my friend, is the point.
You obviously don't know what you are speaking. A person with PR has an obligation to live in Canada . These are people who are committed to permanently living here with families and are people who often left good careers to make Canada their own country
And a person in WP has no such obligation to live here in Canada certain number of days. Besides as per law the employer is supposed to look for some one who is a Citizen or PR before granting a WP
Ditto . Some people don't know what they are speaking about ......... Perceptions do change when you change sides ..... Thats transition .....
Finally you know what I meant by being on the other side of the desk. See, it wasn't hard.. you just need to make the extra effort...blame it on the weak cells..
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There s a lot of difference b/w coming as a PR and working and coming as a visitor and working - the same difference b/w legal and illegal and you've got to be a moron if you can't tell the difference .
Of course you have to be a moron if you can't tell the difference...or in your case...read properly. This is from your post that I replied to.."How can you bring people in a particular technology from outside when sufficient skill is available with in the country ?"
We were discussing why would companies hire foreign workers and not those who come to the country on visitors visa and over stay illegally. Am sure you can find a mirror nearby, that would help you looking at a moron and thus straighten up your definition a little bit.
And talking about legality, one has to get a LMO in order to hire a foreign worker, which is provided by Service Canada, a government entity. And the LMO is issued only when the stats show that there is actually a shortage of that particular skill.
Some people come here on a WP and then steer towards getting the permanent residency, which is a faster way. Just because someone waited for x number of years outside Canada to get a PR doesn't mean that other people can't take the faster route.
Even if someone applies for a PR from outside Canada, there is a category called 'arranged employment' category, which allows a person to fast track his/her application if they already have secured a job. Now be a baby again and cry out loud that the government should not allow people to immigrate under that category as there a lot of unemployed people already in Canada.
You have a habit of flying off the tangent --- earlier you were claiming to know my past ... what happened to that ???
If you were to read my post clearly (against your attitude perse ) .... I am emphasizing that these cos are using visit visas to fly by the Officials and use these people on Projects ....... So all your reasoning is digressed .
How can the stats show that there s a shortage of people in a particular area when there are people in that field unemployed and looking for opportunities ..... ?? If it does , then the stats is perhaps rigged and needs to be questioned .
Either ways , there s a scam in such situations which needs to be plugged . It needs to be brought out in the open .....
I don't know where your posts fit in : either you are trying to say its right or you are trying to support the malpractice . Or maybe you are just trying to bump in your head for habit's sake.
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Originally posted by web2000
I think that u need to read the original post. They are not visitors. They come on work permit as the OP described.
So work permit is legal activity and they got right to work here at any competitive prices which we don't digest.
I agree - although I ve seen people coming on visit visas but if thats happening through work permits , it appears to be a bigger problem -- Canada has outlined that foreigners will be brought in ONLY when there s no sufficient skills with in ....... I wonder how they can succeed in distorting the figures when there s unemployed skilled people available in Canada .....
I m sure its a simple question which needs to be brought to the attention of the Agencies or media and as I have been saying corrective measures might be enforced .
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