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There s a difference - a person on WP comes w/o risk , on a job and a PR comes with a lot of risk and w/o job offer . He needs to be secured .... this is Canada's policy not yours or mine .
I have never known of any natives crying because of Immigration as they accept it and welcome it ... as far as I ve experienced . But yes if a person does not come through the regular immigration channel and sly tactics are applied , there s reason enough to cry and shout .
The difference is - coming through the right channel and coming through the wrong channel .
And for 2 , I wonder how you claim to know that "I have changed sides " or "am now on the other side " ....Are you a fortune teller or do you know my past ?? 
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Fido.
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Posted on: 24-06-09 08:04:16
Location: Somewhere in dreamland
Posted on: 24-06-09 08:04:16
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Originally posted by Iknownothing
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Originally posted by Fido
It seems you missed the point .
The Q ia about WPs & Visitors VS PRs & Citizens . If you are a PR you are very well eligible to the worforce . The problem comes when PR s with same skills are not having opportunities since the jobs are being dished outside .
What difference does it make if somebody enters the country as a PR or on a WP? The natives will always cry foul that immigrants are coming in hordes and taking away their jobs or stiffening the competition. Funny part is that now you being on the other side of the desk, speak the same language. That my friend, is the point.
You obviously don't know what you are speaking. A person with PR has an obligation to live in Canada . These are people who are committed to permanently living here with families and are people who often left good careers to make Canada their own country
And a person in WP has no such obligation to live here in Canada certain number of days. Besides as per law the employer is supposed to look for some one who is a Citizen or PR before granting a WP
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Originally posted by NewDesiInTown
Quote:Why should it?
Originally posted by blorean
I am even more surprised that this isn't making news if it has any semblance of legitamacy to it. Don't you think?
It's been going on for years.
No union jobs are being lost.
No vote bank or vested interest group is being affected.
It's a win-win for companies using this cheap labour as well as companies providing the labour.
No rights of Canadian citizens are being abused.
I see no reason for this to be big news.
Hey, garbage pickup in Toronto is a bigger issue, who cares about a bunch of "pot-bellied" Indian computer programmers don't you think?
Quote:Why should it?
Or maybe one day it will be breaking news and will bring down the big corporations...
If it does get out, the corporations will simply throw up their hands and say hey we didn't know these guys are being paid less than min. wage, how would we know?
The offshore company would be fined, at worst, which they will pay.
Why should it make news? Does a simple things such as taxes elude you? What about general public uprising? Do you really think if for example Rogers replaced its workforce of permanent employees with fresh-of-the-boat work-permit holders and recycle them from time to time, no one will take notice? Geez....
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If you have a gun, you can rob a bank.
If you have a bank, you can rob everyone.
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Originally posted by Iknownothing
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Originally posted by Fido
It seems you missed the point .
The Q ia about WPs & Visitors VS PRs & Citizens . If you are a PR you are very well eligible to the worforce . The problem comes when PR s with same skills are not having opportunities since the jobs are being dished outside .
What difference does it make if somebody enters the country as a PR or on a WP? The natives will always cry foul that immigrants are coming in hordes and taking away their jobs or stiffening the competition. Funny part is that now you being on the other side of the desk, speak the same language. That my friend, is the point.
And that is precisely the point. God forbid if such a thing surfaced when vandemataram was looking for a job here. I am sure he (or she) would have prayed to have it pushed under the carpet. Now suddenly, lo and behold, they are the "purveyors of conscience and righteousness".
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If you have a gun, you can rob a bank.
If you have a bank, you can rob everyone.
- Bill Maher
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Originally posted by brown_bear
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Originally posted by Iknownothing
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Originally posted by Fido
It seems you missed the point .
The Q ia about WPs & Visitors VS PRs & Citizens . If you are a PR you are very well eligible to the worforce . The problem comes when PR s with same skills are not having opportunities since the jobs are being dished outside .
What difference does it make if somebody enters the country as a PR or on a WP? The natives will always cry foul that immigrants are coming in hordes and taking away their jobs or stiffening the competition. Funny part is that now you being on the other side of the desk, speak the same language. That my friend, is the point.
You obviously don't know what you are speaking. A person with PR has an obligation to live in Canada . These are people who are committed to permanently living here with families and are people who often left good careers to make Canada their own country
And a person in WP has no such obligation to live here in Canada certain number of days. Besides as per law the employer is supposed to look for some one who is a Citizen or PR before granting a WP
Ditto . Some people don't know what they are speaking about ......... Perceptions do change when you change sides ..... Thats transition .....
There s a lot of difference b/w coming as a PR and working and coming as a visitor and working - the same difference b/w legal and illegal and you've got to be a moron if you can't tell the difference .
But I guess due to some digressing posts we are moving away from the original post .. The problem is clear , whats the soultion ...... Is anyone aware of methods that can be used to curb such malpractices . ... Any Govt Agencies / Contacts welcome ....
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Fido.
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Originally posted by Fido
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Originally posted by brown_bear
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Originally posted by Iknownothing
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Originally posted by Fido
It seems you missed the point .
The Q ia about WPs & Visitors VS PRs & Citizens . If you are a PR you are very well eligible to the worforce . The problem comes when PR s with same skills are not having opportunities since the jobs are being dished outside .
What difference does it make if somebody enters the country as a PR or on a WP? The natives will always cry foul that immigrants are coming in hordes and taking away their jobs or stiffening the competition. Funny part is that now you being on the other side of the desk, speak the same language. That my friend, is the point.
You obviously don't know what you are speaking. A person with PR has an obligation to live in Canada . These are people who are committed to permanently living here with families and are people who often left good careers to make Canada their own country
And a person in WP has no such obligation to live here in Canada certain number of days. Besides as per law the employer is supposed to look for some one who is a Citizen or PR before granting a WP
Ditto . Some people don't know what they are speaking about ......... Perceptions do change when you change sides ..... Thats transition .....
There s a lot of difference b/w coming as a PR and working and coming as a visitor and working - the same difference b/w legal and illegal and you've got to be a moron if you can't tell the difference .
But I guess due to some digressing posts we are moving away from the original post .. The problem is clear , whats the soultion ...... Is anyone aware of methods that can be used to curb such malpractices . ... Any Govt Agencies / Contacts welcome ....
If they don't do job at $5/hr and just come as a visitor spend their money here, u would have no problem. So the question is not of legal/illegal entry. We are shouting because they are taking up our jobs. I tell you that even if the govt saturates this country with unwanted immigrants [even they have PR status], you will have trouble.
So the real question is that who should be given the job first?
Quote:Who said anything about a company like Rogers replacing the entire workforce?
Originally posted by blorean
Why should it make news? Does a simple things such as taxes elude you? What about general public uprising? Do you really think if for example Rogers replaced its workforce of permanent employees with fresh-of-the-boat work-permit holders and recycle them from time to time, no one will take notice?
The original poster said "scores" - there is a difference between scores and thousands...
I am surprised that we are getting two exactly polarized opinions here - people are either saying it is happening by thousands or saying that it is not happening at all.
The original post was about it happening to some extent ( "scores" ).
It is happening to certain extents, the truth lies in the middle.
And when was the last time you saw a "general public uprising" over such a thing.
Even in the US, where this issue is much more controversial because of the H-1 visa thing, people are not militant about it.
Are you seriously saying that this kind of practice is not happening at all?
You must be the provebial ostricth with your head in the sand, or under the carpet.
Anyhow, I have witnessed this practice first-hand so i know it is happening.
We can debate whether it is dozens, scores, gross or whatever unit of measure from now until Kingdom Come....
But it is a fact that it happens and is actively happening....
