Posted on: 11-06-05 19:42:56
Taking off from an earlier thread
"Rather, it seems to me, the phenomenon persists because the stereotypes of white and black basketball players dovetail so perfectly with the deeper archetypes that are at the core of how Americans think about race. White players are perceived as the athletic equivalent of white businessmen and politicians: stodgy, dull and disciplined. Black players are seen as the athletic equivalent of black preachers and musicians: flashy and creative.
This conception of the differences between the races, termed "romantic racialism" by historian George Fredrickson, dates back at least to the 19th century, but it took its current form in the early 20th century. By the 1920s, large numbers of black migrants had relocated to northern urban centers like Harlem and the South Side of Chicago. There, distinctively African American cultural forms, including jazz, were introduced to a sympathetic white audience. Many white liberals who caught the fever of the "New Negro Renaissance" had to negotiate a looking-glass world in which they were the minority. These distinct moments in American history ultimately reveal just as much about our culture's anxieties over race as the more straightforward stories of black accommodation to white culture.
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http://www.poppolitics.com/articles/2002-04-05-basketballandrace.shtml
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Since we talked NBA earlier...
http://www3.azwestern.edu/psy/dgershaw/lol/JordanMediaMagic.html
\"Jeffrey Holmes is a doctoral student in counseling psychology at Pasadena City College, who finds that young African-American men are affected by this media distortion. \"What I’m finding out is that beyond athletics, our kids don’t have any identity of their own.\" He sees many young men clad entirely in clothes with the emblems of a professional team. Many college athletes expect to make it in professional sports. Holmes sees their chances as \"slim to none.\"\"
linking to the thread from all this spinned off
http://www.canadiandesi.com/read.php?TID=8165&page=9
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\"A second useful function of stereotypes is in the use of what can be termed \"countertypes.\" A \"countertype\" is a positive stereotype (one which arouses \"good\" emotions and associates a group of people with socially approved characteristics) which evolves as an attempt to replace or \"counter\" a negative stereotype which has been applied previously to a specific group of people. \"
http://www.serve.com/shea/stereodf.htm
\"Countertypes are still stereotypes, and this means that they are still oversimplified views of the group being stereotyped. \"
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from the above link
"Despite the fact that stereotyping is a natural method of classification and despite the fact that stereotyping has some useful functions under certain circumstances, all too often stereotypes are the festering rot in the American mindset. It is not very pleasant to study them and it is even less pleasant to study their horrific effects. But study them we must. Common stereotypes directly reflect our beliefs, and like other more pleasant beliefs, we must understand them if we are to understand ourselves. "
Thats it from me...i think there is enough info to help people decide one way or the other. To each his own.
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Orginally posted by jake3d
\"A second useful function of stereotypes is in the use of what can be termed \"countertypes.\" A \"countertype\" is a positive stereotype (one which arouses \"good\" emotions and associates a group of people with socially approved characteristics) which evolves as an attempt to replace or \"counter\" a negative stereotype which has been applied previously to a specific group of people. \"
http://www.serve.com/shea/stereodf.htm
\"Countertypes are still stereotypes, and this means that they are still oversimplified views of the group being stereotyped. \"
Thats interesting.
I frankly didnt knwo about countertyping and that what we were doing is countertyping.
This mean countertypes must be rampant, since it is positive as opposed to the negative (labor jobs should go to able bodied people who are mostly Euros and Africans).
And then you have the people within that group that could not benefit from counter typing.
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Orginally posted by jake3d
Since we talked NBA earlier...
http://www3.azwestern.edu/psy/dgershaw/lol/JordanMediaMagic.html
\"Jeffrey Holmes is a doctoral student in counseling psychology at Pasadena City College, who finds that young African-American men are affected by this media distortion. \"What I’m finding out is that beyond athletics, our kids don’t have any identity of their own.\" He sees many young men clad entirely in clothes with the emblems of a professional team. Many college athletes expect to make it in professional sports. Holmes sees their chances as \"slim to none.\"\"
linking to the thread from all this spinned off
http://www.canadiandesi.com/read.php?TID=8165&page=9
A LOT lof white and other non - black people don sports related gear on a regular basis.
Is he sterotyping his own group?
I think their chances are slim because there can only be so many pro level players. Its like hockey in Canada. Ever body wants to play it and go to NHL (Canadian parents dream of that) but only a few do so.
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Orginally posted by jake3d
all too often stereotypes are the festering rot in the American mindset. It is not very pleasant to study them and it is even less pleasant to study their horrific effects.
I think it is probably a festering rot in the North american mindset or the western mindset.
Canada is not free from it.
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