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Job market now and predicted for rest of 2009?

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Originally posted by Vandematram

Yale grad can't find work

So, what's the moral of the story? I'd say nothing. Once case proves nothing.
I'm not encouraging or discouraging anybody. In this times of brutal changes, sometimes qualification does not mean anything. Qualification alone won't help you long enough. Qualification might help you open the door. But it's your attitude and behavior that builds your foundation and anything beyond that.

Build good attitude.
And as I've mentioned multiple times, be prepared for Plan-B. But don't take your eyes off your target.

"you think you can do it, or you think you can't do it. Either way you're right" - H Ford. This might not be applicable to all. But that story of Yale grad is for sure not applicable to more than few.

Ultimately it's your own life and your own choice. Pick one that makes you comfortable.

Good luck!

Post ID: 138449 21-02-09 16:44:32
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I was also thinking same , what this has to do with current market.

If he has problem finding job in his own filed , that is different topic.

he has been facing this problem since couple of years , but market has been down for last two years.

This story doesn't represent the topic we are discussing.

NOTE: I WOULD LIKE TO MENTIONED THAT EVEN NON EDUCATED PERSON CAN GET JOB MORE THEN 9$ IN TORONTO. so many labor job payes 12-18 $ hr in Toronto, fork lift , plastic factory, wood factory and so and so .. also if someone has good communication skill then they can easily get job as support, customer service etc... remind u that pays more then 9$.

i have done that in past when i was fresh graduate from it course , my plan B was to survive until i find job in my filed and i hv done labor as well as tel marketing.

so, he dosen' have to mentioned about 9$ :) :) :)

I AM MOVING TO TORONTO KEEPING IN MIND PLAN B ( which is support, customer service or tele marketing )

'Some goals are so worthy, it's glorious even to fail.' (Param Vir Chakra awardee Lt. Manoj Pandey)

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Post ID: 138451 21-02-09 20:53:19
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Job market scene

I came in 07 and went back to India as it was more paying than in Canada. After that I came back in 2008 and again went back as jobs were bad in Canada and pays got much lower. Now I resigned from India job and came to Canada, thinking I didnt gave much time to Canada, and here its difficult to even get a floor cleaning job.

Locals/Whites dont recognize anything colored and there are gangs of every color around . Indian people dont like whites and wont let them in their homes, if you live in places with large Indian population you job applications are not even replied back. If you want to have a non-indian majority white/canadian address then rents are 5-6 times and houses are even worse- older enough to get you sick. All I got from 4 months of searching was a direct tele sales job which I left in a day as it was more of a scam. I give you mantra for Indian in Canada -


Dont make your and your children life miserable. 85% of persons who live in Canada are not happy and have no choice but to slog there. Majority of people are living on refugee visas and cant get out of it, more are here because they made less than $200 a month in India, and a few who have some problem going back.

So overall you will very remotely find someone genuinely immigrated and well settled. Dont get fooled by big cars and houses as everything is here on credit and one day u have it another u dont - basically nobody cares and no one has any prestige isuues here.

I am not depressed as one might say as I am well off to support myself here, but when you are ignored you cant take it. Until you have family relatives here who are willing to help and refer you DONT COME HERE.

People have spent there lives earning here and still are on measly incomes. Hard work is OK but in Canada hard work does not makes you rich it makes you a fool in the long run.

Aboveall this country has some of the deadliest diseaes imported from the world. Imagine there are ads TV warningyou of bird flu and hepatitis spread in your shopping malls. Sounds like home ?????????????

Post ID: 138455 21-02-09 21:22:38
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A silent minority takes the wheel



Balwinder Gill is not the only South Asian woman who drives a truck. But she is the only one who would talk to the Star.

One slammed down the phone, another was livid with her employer for giving out her phone number and a third didn't want her photograph taken.

\"Don't you know people will talk even more?\" said a 25-year-old South Asian woman who drives for BNH Logistics, a trucking company in Brampton, before hanging up the phone.

Her employer, owner Nick Bhangal, says she rarely meets people and fiercely guards her privacy. Her nightmare is that no one will marry her if someone learns what she does for a living, he says.

\"In our community, some people still don't like the idea of women working,\" says Bhangal, also from India. \"If a woman is away from home for days, there can be all kinds of talk and the general perception is that she's of loose character.\"

Bhangal hired her about eight months ago and says she is as good as a male driver or better. She always delivers on time, he says. Her trips are mostly to Illinois, Iowa and Georgia, and typically last two or three days.

\"Women work harder than men and even more when they know they have a point to prove,\" he says.

Jaswinder Kaur, who drives a tractor-trailer with her husband, Avtar Singh, didn't want her photograph taken.

The 29-year-old started driving two years ago so she could spend more time with her husband, who was often away for days taking shipments to California. They had just immigrated from India and needed the money, even though the job wrecked their personal lives.

\"When you are new here, you have to do whatever comes your way and work hard,\" says Kaur, who had few options. \"I don't have any kind of training and I can't speak English,\" she says in Punjabi.

\"I couldn't have done anything else.\"

But no one in her immediate family in India knows she drives along with her husband. \"They won't understand. They'll be very angry with me,\" she says.

The rain is coming down in torrents as Balwinder Gill pulls her silver Corolla into the Mattu Transport Inc. yard in Mississauga. She grabs an iron rod from the trunk and dashes toward a truck. She crawls between the front tires and knocks off chunks of icy snow beneath.

A mechanic tells her he has already checked the tires, oil and wiper fluid. Gill nods but checks the air pressure in the 10 tires anyway. And the oil. And the wiper fluid.

\"I trust him but I still like to check everything before I leave,\" she says, swinging into the cab to pick up her trailer and the load for Montreal.

Daljit Dhillon, the mechanic, watches her leave in a blur of rain and mist. \"Most drivers would've taken our word; not her,\" he says in Punjabi. \"She's good.\"

For reasons cultural and otherwise, Gill, 32, is one of the few South Asian women in the GTA who drive tractor-trailers an industry increasingly dominated by Indo-Canadian men.

Women in general probably make up less than 15 per cent of truck drivers, says Doug Switzer, of the Ontario Trucking Association. \"Women driving trucks is a minority. South Asian women driving trucks is extraordinary.\"

Nachhattar Chohan, president of the recently formed Indian Trucking Association, says more than 65 per cent of truck drivers in the GTA are Indo-Canadians. Out of those thousands there are, probably, a couple of dozen women who drive with their husbands.

Few drive alone. A dozen, at most. Gill is one of them.

As a child, she took a long time to learn to ride a bicycle.

Gill, who grew up in a dusty village in India, remembers the red bike her father, Lashkar Singh, bought when she was about 9. She had begged for it, but she wouldn't get on it even though it had training wheels. \"I was petrified,\" says Gill.

It was months before she mustered the courage to ride it, and she never did learn to ride a scooter or drive a car in India.

When she came to Canada in 2000, she marvelled that everyone, just everyone, drove, and was convinced she couldn't, ever. She once told a friend Toronto's roads were like racetracks. It wasn't like the unhurried traffic in Punjab, where cars, scooters and bicycles share pot-holed roads with stray dogs, abandoned cattle and even pigs.

She worked at a plastics factory in Woodbridge. She bused to work from Brampton and didn't mind the hour it took. But the night shift was a challenge she didn't know how to get home at 3 a.m. Sometimes she called a cab, or friends picked her up. Mostly she hung out till 5 a.m., when buses started.

Almost 15 months after arriving in Canada, Gill signed up for driving lessons.

It wasn't as frightening as she had thought. \"I knew it was necessary to learn,\" she says. \"It was getting really tough to manage without a car.\"

Truck driving happened by fluke, almost as a joke. She was visiting a cousin in Rexdale one day in 2005 when she saw forms on his table for a trucker's licence. \"I don't know how it happened, but I told him that I would apply for it,\" says Gill.

He laughed, saying women don't drive trucks. It wasn't a dare, just a matter-of-fact statement. \"That's when I knew I would. I wasn't angry, just determined,\" says Gill.

She bought the rules booklet, and within a week had taken the written test and signed up at Hi-Tech Driving School in Mississauga. For three months, she took lessons five days a week while working full time.

It was tough: There were 15 gears; turning left required more accuracy than she had imagined; and reversing with a trailer was a challenge that reduced her to tears.

The first time she took the driving test, she could not reverse correctly. The second time, she got nervous and could not change gears. The third time, she got it. She quit her factory job the same evening.

A few days later, Narinderjit Singh Mattu hired her.

MATTU OWNS 27 trucks and 40 trailers and employs 28 drivers. Gill is the only woman.

Mattu signed her up minutes after taking her for a road test. \"I also thought that if I hire her, other (South Asian) women will also think about it,\" he recalls.

That didn't happen.

South Asians tend to consider driving even a cab not \"suitable\" for women. Among India's 1 billion citizens, there are very few possibly none who drive trucks or buses, points out Chohan.

The stigma attached to it means even women who drive with their husbands rarely admit to it, he says. \"Women don't want to be known as truck drivers. It's not counted as a great profession; there are too many misconceptions about it.\"

While there are advantages to such non-traditional careers for women, there are hurdles. One is discrimination, or even harassment, on the part of co-workers. Chohan recalls an incident where a female driver was verbally harassed by a group of South Asian drivers at a truck stop. It upset her enough to make her want to quit, but with a family to support, she couldn't. \"She stopped telling people she drives a truck.\"

Gill doesn't tell anyone about it unless she's asked.

\"I don't hide the fact, but I don't advertise it, either,\" she says. She recalls a wedding reception in Brampton in July when a casual conversation about her driving experiences turned heated. Someone told her in Punjabi: \"It's not what girls from good homes do.\"

She was livid. \"No one talks about women being beaten up by their husbands, but this ... people are so quick to judge you.\"

But Gill, who knows she's being watched in the community, is careful about how she conducts herself.

\"I don't hang out with other drivers,\" she says. \"I take the load to Montreal, unload it and get another load back to Toronto. That's my life.\"

IT'S ABOUT 6 P.M. and Gill is pulling into a loading yard on Tomken Rd. in Brampton, where dozens of trailers are parked.

Her 16-metre trailer is ready. She reverses the truck gently. There's a loud grating noise as it locks onto the trailer. Gill, who is five-foot-six and muscular she works out at LA Fitness in Brampton every weekend slips on a woollen cap and thick right glove and deftly climbs between truck and trailer to secure the three thick cables that run the lights, air brakes and signals.

She takes her time; she's heard too many stories about trailers getting unhooked while on the road.

Her cargo can be anything from hospital supplies to dry food. Today, she's taking a shipment for Shoppers Drug Mart.

She climbs into the cab to complete paperwork the only annoying thing about the job, she says. An hour later, she's on Highway 401 bound for Montreal.

Truck drivers call Gill's rig \"the road plane.\" They say the 18-wheeler glides on bumpy asphalt roads not because it's new and automatic but the way she drives it: smoothly.

Gill, who goes to Montreal five times a week, says that when she started long-haul driving a year ago, it was tough physically.

A typical run to Montreal takes six to seven hours, but up to 12 hours during a blizzard, causing cramps and body pain: \"My eyes used to hurt from looking straight ahead for hours.\" And she missed being home a basement in Malton every night.

Now, it's a piece of cake.

She's passing through Bowmanville. It's raining steadily and the wind is howling as the truck cruises at 100 kilometres an hour in the centre lane. Suddenly, an SUV changes lanes right in front of her. Gill swears loudly, then gently presses on the brakes.

\"Car drivers don't understand that it takes a truck some time to stop,\" says Gill. If she slams on the brakes, the truck can jackknife every driver's nightmare.

She's never crashed, but has heard the stories. The closest she came was in 2005, a few months after she started. She was taking a load to Cambridge, when the trailer got stuck turning left. Drivers stopped, looked and took a detour, but no one could help her. An hour later, when she was ready to call a tow truck she could barely afford, the manager of a trucking company who was passing by told her he was sending the company's tow truck.

She didn't have to pay a cent.

But that was the last time she needed help. Except in the case of a breakdown, she's never needed help. \"I've learned to do everything myself I don't want to be dependent on anyone.\"

SHE REACHES Laval, Que., a few minutes past midnight. There's a thick layer of ice as she arrives at Sonar Transport's dockyard. Deftly, she reverses toward an open dock. There's a loud thud as the trailer docks. She jumps out to tell the night staff they can unload.

Language can be a challenge for Gill, a high-school dropout. She speaks enough English for basic communication but in Laval-Montreal, where everything's in French, hand gestures do wonders.

An hour later, the trailer is empty.

Gill usually sleeps in the cab, picks up a new load around dawn and heads back to Toronto. There are two bunks, a tiny refrigerator and space for food, clothes and shoes. Gill takes out her dinner veggies, lentils, yogurt and Indian flatbread and heats it on a small stove.

\"It's not an easy life. There is a lot of struggle but it's steady money,\" says Gill, who earns $50,000 to $55,000 a year. That can change anytime. In the past eight months, she's seen the number of trucks on the road decrease and feels lucky she still has work five days a week.

She sends money monthly to her parents in Punjab. They know she drives a truck and are proud of her. \"My father used to work in a factory where truck and bus bodies were built,\" she says, curling up in bed.

She barely has five hours before she's due to pick up a load of shopping carts from Montreal.

Gilles Jolicoeur is waiting for her at Cari All, a warehouse on Industrial Blvd. The first time she met him, he gawked and asked her if she really drove the truck.

\"She was the first South Asian (female) driver I'd met,\" says Jolicoeur, adding that, unlike most drivers, \"She's very punctual and professional. If she says she'll be here at 6 a.m., you can bet she'll be five minutes early.\"

As the carts are being loaded, Gill quickly makes tea on the stove and sips it standing outside. \"The first time I came to Montreal, I remember looking at the trailer after it was unloaded. I couldn't believe I'd driven it here. I still have the same feeling sometimes.\"

Minutes later, she's on her way to Toronto.

Sunny Leone a true Canadian DESI now back in India !.

Post ID: 138482 22-02-09 14:25:29
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Originally posted by Vandematram
Balwinder Gill is not the only South Asian woman who drives a truck. But she is the only one who would talk to the Star.

Now that's a ray of inspiration.
I didn't read the whole page, just can't, but this one line was enough for me.

Post ID: 138506 22-02-09 20:53:09
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Nobody here relaizes how dire the situation is
The market will crash so bad that it will leave even the most talented in dire straits - folks we are entering the greatest depression world has ever seen - and the governments can't print, tax or borrow their way out of it.

Also since you mentioned you are in IT - even from India 70-80% of all BPO - IT, call center, legal, medical jobs will disappear by end of 2009 / mind 2010.

In general worldwide IT spending (considered discretionary for most part ) will be slashed by 80% or more- also financials which are the biggest consumer of IT are effectively insolvent . Citi and BAC will be nationalized anytime wiping out whatever little is left of the share holders.

Furthermore there will be protectionism - e.g the companies recieving fedral aid in US are obligated to hire only American candidates.

Chrysler , GM and Ford will file bankruptcy this year - pulling down 9 million + jobs with them in North America.

Dow & S&P will be in 3000 -3500 & 400-425 range respectively - effectively wiping away all of the wealth and that means people who were thinking to retire off of their 401 ks and mutual funds will have to keep working - which will further exacerbate the competition for jobs in a very tight market.

Also we are looking at food shortages and expensive everything - lots of farmers have not been able to get credit and due to the temporary defaltion there is no incentive to grow.

Civil unrest, riots , shortages, crime etc will all be part of our day to day lives.

Post ID: 138509 22-02-09 22:03:55
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jinxed - isn't it to much ?

Everyone knows that Canada along with US and world is facing recession...

things doesn't look to great and will might get little worse.


"Civil unrest, riots , shortages, crime etc will all be part of our day to day lives. " - WHERE DO U GET ALL THIS ? - this will only happens if there is HUGGGGGG change in world , like natural disaster on huge scale or full scale world war.

other wise i dont see we are going that far


Remind u guys although there is some company laying off - others are hiring in big scale.

there is new projects and development still going on

ppl are still investing money

all this happening still and it might be not as previous year but things are still working and will work - its just everything is cooling down for while - i guess that is normal everywhere u get ups and downs for while.

So no need to get panic , relax and invest in safe investment or take your time to take big expenses

good luck to all of us

'Some goals are so worthy, it's glorious even to fail.' (Param Vir Chakra awardee Lt. Manoj Pandey)

Post ID: 138534 23-02-09 08:56:04
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'There will be blood'

Post ID: 138577 23-02-09 21:19:31
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'There will be blood'

U do believe on those articles ?

Like All those expert were advising to get into RE market ... they were giving big speech too ? but wat happen >market is crashing finally. u dont need to rely on anyone's predictions . if that was true then this ppl would have take early steps to stop recession. - they can just assume but they are not Almighty

Although , No one can predict future but i strongly oppose ... IT will not go that bad.

there will definitely no word war situations

'Some goals are so worthy, it's glorious even to fail.' (Param Vir Chakra awardee Lt. Manoj Pandey)

Post ID: 138579 23-02-09 21:38:23
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Sunny Leone a true Canadian DESI now back in India !.

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