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I am reading your post in Speak out section of Star, Rajan bhaya, lakin not seeing Puru's.
Can u giving link to your posting please, Puru?
Also what is happening to contact of CTV I am sending you in pm? Any contact yaan no?

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Puru

Great work !

Thanks & rgds.

Rajan.

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Yesterday I was talking to a Chinese in TD Bank. He had done some Univ degree from here in Toronto in Biology (something like that). Now he works in the Bank. I asked about his background. He said his father came here 40 years back and was top Architect in China. He father had to repeat the study here and take another degree from here in Toronto. Then only he managed to get job in his field.

So guy’s last 40 years things haven’t changed. It is the same procedure. They want some with education here. The Canadian govt is fooling with people lives.

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So guy’s last 40 years things haven’t changed. It is the same procedure. They want some with education here. The Canadian govt is fooling with people lives.

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Puru

Chalo kuch interesting material.
Apun also thinking why those here cannot say Merry Xmas. Apun India may saying and nobody minding. Even Diwali greetings exchanged and Id also.
Actually one freind tolding me that it starting with Jews originally. Nothing to do with Indians yaan Chinese yaan Parsis yaan...
Also apun listening on radio that people taking offense to Halloween being celebrated, che man, this political correct thing too much yaar!

Country of Choice-----Good Article-----
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Will we still be the Country of choice and
>>>still be Canada if we continue to make the changes forced on us by the
>>>people from other countries that came to live in Canada because it is the
>>>Country of Choice??????
>>>
>>> Think about it!
>>>
>>> All we have to say is, when will they do
>>>something about MY RIGHTS?
>>>
>>>
>>> I celebrate Christmas...........but
>>>because it isn't celebrated by everyone..............we can no longer say
>>>Merry Christmas. Now it has to be Season's Greetings.
>>>
>>> It's not Christmas vacation, it's Winter
>>>Break. Isn't it amazing how this winter break ALWAYS occurs over the
>>>Christmas holiday?
>>>
>>> We've gone so far the other way, bent over
>>>backwards to not offend anyone, that I am now being offended. But it
>>>seems that no one has a problem with that.
>>> This says it all!
>>>
>>> This is an editorial written by an
>>> Toronto newspaper. He did quite a job;
>>>didn't he? Read on, please!
>>>
>>> IMMIGRANTS,
>>> NOT Canadians
>>> MUST ADAPT.
>>> I am tired of this nation worrying about
>>>whether we
>>> are offending some individual or their
>>>culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11,
>>> we have experienced a surge
>>> in patriotism by the majority
>>> of Canadians. However...... the dust from
>>>the attacks had
>>> barely settled when the "politically
>>>correct! " crowd began complaining about
>>> the possibility that our patriotism was
>>>offending others.
>>>
>>> I am not against immigration, nor do I
>>>hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to
>>>Canada
>>> Our population is almost entirely made up
>>>of descendants of immigrants.
>>> However, there
>>> are a few things that those
>>> who have recently come to
>>> our country, and apparently some born
>>>here, need to understand.
>>> This idea of Canada being a
>>> multicultural community
>>> has served only to dilute our sovereignty
>>>and our national identity. As Canadians.......
>>> we have our own culture, our
>>> own society, our own language and our own
>>>lifestyle. This culture has been developed over centuries of struggles,
>>>trials, and victories by millions of men and women who have sought
>>>freedom.
>>>
>>>
>>> We speak ENGLISH/FRENCH, not Spanish,
>>>Portuguese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language.
>>> Therefore, if you wish to become part
>>> of our society, learn the language!
>>> "We Stand On Guard For Thee" is our
>>>national motto. This is not some Christian, right wing, political
>>>slogan.. We adopted this motto because Christian men and women.......on
>>>Christian principles.............
>>> founded this nation..... and this is
>>>clearly documented.
>>> It is certainly appropriate to display it
>>> on the walls of our schools.
>>> If God offends you, then I suggest you
>>>consider another part of the world as
>>> your new home.........because
>>> God is part of our culture.
>>>
>>> We
>>> are happy with our culture and have
>>> no desire to change, and we really
>>> don't care how you did things where
>>> you came from.
>>> This is
>>> OUR COUNTRY,
>>> our land, and our lifestyle.
>>> But once you are done complaining.......
>>>whining...... and griping....... about our flag.......
>>> our pledge...... our national
>>>motto........or our
>>> way of life....I highly encourage you to
>>> take advantage of one other Great Canadian
>>>Freedom.......
>>>
>>> THE RIGHT TO LEAVE.
>>>
>>>
>>> It is Time for Canada to Speak up
>>> If you agree -- pass this along;
>>> if you don't agree -- delete it!
>>>
>>> AMEN
>>>
>>> I figure if we all keep passing this to
>>>our friends
>>> (and enemies) it will also, sooner or
>>>later
>>> get back to the complainers, lets all try,
>>> please
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I think someone modified the real article which reads - IMMIGRANTS, NOT AMERICANS SHOULD ADAPT and the link for the original article is:
http://www.8mm16mmfilmscollectibles.com/ImmigrantsMustAdapt.htm

It is ok for reading but could be misleading to our friends here in this particular thread. Better watch out.

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Puru

If anybody interested, please to read aaj ka Toronto Star p.A23. RBC, Canada's premier immie employer, tolding Canada needing 400,000 per year to maintain growth, matlab more than gorement's 320,000.

Loh bhai, ek to they cannot placing those here correctly and wanting more.
National Post journalist forgetting to put 'educated' ifo 'cheap labour', lakin we all knowing that, not needing NP wallah to tolding us. This is referring to Puru's post on other dhaagaa.

Also another interesting article:

Oct. 20, 2005. 01:00 AM

Canada's growing racial divide
Perceptions of bigotry among minorities are more widespread than Canadians believe, By Jeffrey G. Reitz





Conventional wisdom in Canada dictates that we are deeply committed to both diversity and equality as basic values. The fanfare and enthusiasm surrounding the appointment of Haitian-born Michaëlle Jean as the new governor general certainly illustrates this commitment.

But increasing racial diversity of the Canadian population has been accompanied by growing concerns about discrimination and racial inequality.

Evidence from Statistics Canada's 2002 Ethnic Diversity Survey provides a number of indications that the social integration of immigrants, and their attachments to Canadian society, develop substantially more slowly for visible minorities than for immigrants of European origins.

The changing face of Canada is striking. Prior to the 1960s, the proportion of racial minorities (defined as persons of non-European ancestry other than aboriginal peoples) in Canada was less than 2 per cent. But by 2001, the visible minority population of Canada was 13.4 per cent of the total.

Statistics Canada recently projected that racial minorities will comprise 20 per cent of the population by 2017. The impact is magnified further in major cities, which receive the vast majority of new immigrants. In Toronto, racial minorities constituted only about 3 per cent of the total population of 2.6 million in 1971. But by 2001 they had grown to 36.8 per cent out of 4.6 million. StatCan's projections show both Toronto and Vancouver becoming "majority-minority" cities by 2017.

The Ethnic Diversity Survey asked respondents, among other things, "In the past five years, do you feel that you have experienced discrimination or been treated unfairly by others in Canada because of your ethnicity, race, skin colour, language, accent, or religion?" The results are telling: 37.3 per cent of visible minorities reported such discrimination, compared with 10.6 per cent of whites.

The survey also sheds light on social cohesion and integration, and on most counts, visible minorities are less integrated into Canadian society than their white counterparts, often troublingly so. Thirty per cent fewer identify themselves as "Canadian" and 30 per cent fewer vote in federal elections. Smaller, though quite significant gaps also exist with regard to life satisfaction and trust in others.

These differences are partly related to the recent arrival of many persons in racial minority groups, of course. However, the survey data show important racial differences for immigrants, which grow over time and with experience in Canada.

A particularly troubling conclusion from the survey is that the integration of the children of visible-minority immigrants into society appears to be weaker than that of their parents.

This group of people is one of the fastest-growing segments of the visible minority population, and its success or failure in fully integrating itself into society will be a harbinger of the Canada of tomorrow.

Some argued that low immigrant earnings in themselves are the primary obstacle to full participation in Canadian society. But the data show otherwise: While it is true that an immigrant earnings gap exists, there is little difference in degree of social integration across immigrants of different income levels. Discrimination and feelings of vulnerability are far more important.

Self-expressed concerns about discrimination in minority communities clearly have an effect on their integration into Canadian society.

It is striking that indications of lack of integration into society are so significant for the Canadian-born second generation, since it is this group that is regarded as the harbinger of the future. Many have achieved impressive educational levels and employment success. Nevertheless, they often report experiences of discrimination, and their responses may be rather different from those of their foreign-born parents.

Their frame of comparative reference is no longer the country of origin and their expectations for equality may be considerably higher.

The prevalence of racial discrimination, particularly in the key areas of education and employment, are the subject of dispute among labour market analysts who look at minority employment and earnings, rather than minority perceptions. Based on this information, some say that in the Canadian-born generation, few racial minorities actually experience discrimination.

Others examine the same information but find higher rates of discrimination. Most of the majority population appears either to discount racial discrimination or regard it as a minor concern.

The problem is that this viewpoint does not take account of the viewpoints of minorities themselves, or the impact that these minority perspectives are having on Canadian society.

Such findings have broad implications with regard to policies ranging from immigration and settlement to multiculturalism and pluralism.

Whatever the impact of policies such as multiculturalism in paving the way toward the social integration of immigrants, it has not worked as well for non-whites as for white immigrant groups.

Policies to address special needs of visible minorities and to promote racial equality have not been developed consistently in Canada.

Race relations have been placed under the rubric of multiculturalism and generally are not recognized in principle as a separate concern.

It is time to recognize that the perceptions of significant discrimination among racial minorities are much more prevalent than many Canadians would like to believe, that these perceptions seriously erode commitments to Canadian society, and that a much more sympathetic response is centrally important to the future of Canadian society and identity.


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Jeffrey G. Reitz is R.F. Harney professor of Ethnic, Immigration and Pluralism Studies at the University of Toronto. This commentary is based on a paper he presented at Diversity and Canada's Future, a symposium organized by the Institute for Research on Public Policy.


Link hai
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http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1129758429421&call_pageid=1109682110623&col=Query:1109682108702&DPL=IvsNDS%2f7ChAX&tacodalogin=yes

And it is one of top ten most emailed articles of the moment.

Lakin one on p.A23 is ekdum more to point of yeh dhaagaa

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