Believe this theory of ID? Why not?
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Posted on: 19-08-05 14:58:39
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Orginally posted by mercury6
You didnt asnwer my question.
i did
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Whether its going to a place or going towards an idea or a mix of those two or a stripper factory etc..., it is still going or travelling towards a destination, with a start and end point, not necessary physical.
i.m.o...you dont have a start or end point...you have only been evolving. Did you start only when you were born...or was it when you processed thought or was it when you were conceived?
OR was it when you existed as a thought in the minds of your parents/grandparents/forefathers?
Similarly when will you end?
If you measure yourself in terms of matter...then you were born when time began(since some constituent of your dna existed then). And unless you simply vanish some part of you is going to carry on in some form or other...be it soil or ash.
If you measure yourself in terms of your thoughts...a good deal of what you think come from the thoughts of others before you...Some will also retain some of your thoughts after your body dies.
A start and end point are just concepts we use to make sense of things around us. We are not beholden to be limited by it.
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So, now answer my question.
Can you choose before going to the heaven (conceptual or physical) or is this choice to be made after reaching it?
the choice is always yours including your interpretation of heaven...and your 'physical reality' is going to be defined by the same choice.
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Orginally posted by mercury6
And yes Heavens of Religion would be one of the types of Heavens we are talkign about.
I suggest that 'religion' has not made any 'heaven' or 'hell'. Mans interpretation can do/does both.
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Orginally posted by jake3d
i.m.o...you dont have a start or end point...you have only been evolving. Did you start only when you were born...or was it when you processed thought or was it when you were conceived?
OR was it when you existed as a thought in the minds of your parents/grandparents/forefathers?
Similarly when will you end?
Deep thoughts.
Theoretically to the first man or organism. That would be a starting point. My end would be when I am dead. After that I will be food for the worms, if I am not cremated.
I am sum total of matter and thought. If one of them is gone then I no longer exist.
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If you measure yourself in terms of matter...then you were born when time began(since some constituent of your dna existed then). And unless you simply vanish some part of you is going to carry on in some form or other...be it soil or ash.
Thats it, so It has a beggining in Time.
Now we could go on and argue when Time began, but thats another matter. But I began when time began.
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If you measure yourself in terms of your thoughts...a good deal of what you thing come from the thoughts of others before you...Some will also retain some of your thoughts after your body dies.
See above comment about Thought and matter.
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the choice is always yours including your interpretation of heaven...and your 'physical reality' is going to be defined by the same choice.
That still doesnt answer the question. I am not asking whether the choice is mine or not or whatever my interpretation of heaven is. I am asking when do I get to make the choice of What can I choose?
Since I never really know if I going to get there in the first place.
Before going there I dont know if I will get something I choose and after going there I cant choose anymore and have to accept whatever is there.
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Orginally posted by mercury6
Deep thoughts.
Theoretically to the first man or organism. That would be a starting point. My end would be when I am dead. After that I will be food for the worms, if I am not cremated.
I am sum total of matter and thought. If one of them is gone then I no longer exist.
but your matter and thoughts existed before you. It will continue too. Probably not in the entity that you now describe as 'yourself'. But then that is the concept you have chosen. Buddha, Christ, Krishna etc did not.
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Thats it, so It has a beggining in Time.
i knew I should have clarified that...i used that term only as a place holder(to make myself understood)....i dont think time has start or end.
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But I began when time began.
exactly
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I am asking when do I get to make the choice of What can I choose?
If i tell you when & What it will cease to be your choice. Wont it?
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Orginally posted by jake3d
but your matter and thoughts existed before you. It will continue too. Probably not in the entity that you now describe as 'yourself'. But then that is the concept you have chosen. Buddha, Christ etc did not.
Matter yes, thought no. The probability of anything happening other than what I think or choose is close to 100%.
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....i dont think time has start or end.
How can you be so sure. The probability is of it having a starting point is as good as it not having one. You said you think so. But are you sure?
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If i tell you when & What it will cease to be your choice. Wont it?
I see what you are saying.
The choice is still mine. But thats not the question. The Choice has to be made at a particular point in time (Doesnt matter if time has a beggining or not). When is that? Before or after.
If I dont know what is being served at the restaurant, I will go there and then make up my mind. But in the conceptual or physical heaven I dont know what is there But I cant choose after getting there.
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Orginally posted by jake3d
I suggest that 'religion' has not made any 'heaven' or 'hell'. Mans interpretation can do/does both.
You suggest?
Well of course it is man's doing. He made religion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven
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Orginally posted by mercury6
Matter yes, thought no. The probability of anything happening other than what I think or choose is close to 100%.
did not get that one.
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How can you be so sure. The probability is of it having a starting point is as good as it not having one. You said you think so. But are you sure?
no absolutes...thats why I said I 'think' so...e.g: there is no GOD is an absolute. An absolute closes the mind. There could very well be a start and end which is measured at a very different scale than what we use to measure/define time.
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I see what you are saying.
But why would telling me When and What I can choose will stop it from being my choice?
because its part of the choice
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If I dont know what is being served at the restaurant, I will go there and then make up my mind. But in the conceptual or physical heaven I dont know what is there But I cant choose after getting there.
Before all that you have to decide if you need to eat
. If you do the rest becomes easier. Before we drag this on forever...all I'm trying to say is that if you close your mind to any possibility...even 'GOD' what you are doing is just that :closing your mind. It may mean that you dont want to evolve/change as far as that level of thought is concerned....and thats just fine(no right or wrong).
Another point is that just because someone/many from a/many religion/s say that this is 'GOD' or 'Heaven' and you dont feel that it fits for you...it does not mean that either of the two dont exist(in any form) at all. Its like throwing the baby out with the bathwater imo. You probably need to keep looking with an open mind...to find your answer...even if its just 'i do not know'( If my words do not make sense....then you are on the correct path right now.Ultimately you know how far you are willing to go before you stop...and it will be right for you.)
Again the choice is yours. Its your heaven or hell after all
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