You don't have Canadian experience..
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Posted on: 02-03-05 17:08:05
Inspired by VJs post earlier:
For whatever reasons I was never told that, nor have I met anyone yet who was told the same.
Nevertheless, I have seen several desis on this board mention this as something that they have encountered very often in their search for a job. It has been stated as one of the most common arguments used for not giving jobs to otherwise suitable desis.
I can understand it mentioned in a letter of regret in response to the resume. However, I don't recollect getting any letter of regret against any of the applications I had submitted, and believe me, they were quite a few. And even if one of those forced applications did evoke a response, I think all it said was that they did not have a vacancy, that they would keep my details on file and would contact me if an opportunity occurred in the future. So, I am not sure if that is what happens.
I cannot quite imagine how it is used as an excuse and mentioned during or after a personal interview. Does it happen like that? That is indeed strange if true!! Isn't the fact that an applicant does not have Canadian experience, so very evident from the resume itself? Assuming they have read the resume, and do not have peas for brains, do they still insist on calling the candidate just so they can tell this to his face?
What gives
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Happened a lot with me and I often retaliated to them saying "Is your Oracle, Microsoft , Unix different from what we use in the US". After having 6 years of working in US , they had said "since you have not worked in Canada " and thats what pissed me off . Well of course, I did not get the job but I wanted to make sure they get the message ..
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Orginally posted by Smiley
Happened a lot with me with me and I often retaliated with them saying "Is your Oracle, Microsoft , Unix different from what we use in the US". After having 6 years of working in US , they had said "since you have not worked in Canada " and thats what pissed me off . Well of course, I did not get the job but I wanted to make sure they get the message ..
Did they tell you this AFTER having gone thro your resume? See that is what I do not understand?
1. Employer receives your resume.
2. Employer reads your resume.
3. The experience chronology section clearly indicates that you have not worked in Canada.
4. Employer reads the section that describes your experience.
5. Employer realizes that you do not have Canadian experience.
6. Employer knows that he does not want a person with no Canadian experience and as a result puts your resume in the 'reject' pile.
7. Employer calls you anyway and conducts interview.
8. Employer tells you that you cannot be hired because you do not have Canadian experience.
What sort of amnesic spike causes the employer to go beyond Step 6?
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Quote:I am only guessing, but could it be that this is a strategy adopted by recruiters/employers to drive down the salary?
Orginally posted by DiogenestheCynic
What sort of amnesic spike causes the employer to go beyond Step 6?
If they didn't want to hire anyone without Canadian experience, they will not waste time and resources interviewing a candidate simply to tell him/her that he/she doesn't have Canadian experience.
It may be that they decided that this candidate can potentially be hired if the interview goes well, and bring up the issue of Canadian experience simply to drive down the price.
If this is not true, then I agree with you - why interview someone (phone or in-person) if you are not going to hire them regardless of their skills.
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This is more applicable to recruiters rather than employers . They ask you to send the resume and then call you for a face to face interview and then after asking you the whole nine yards they tell you that
1) since you do not have canadian experience , you have less chances of being shortlisted
2) The employer shortlists you and then rejects you to someone who has worked in canada and the rejection email comes saying "You do not have the right experience " or "They were looking for somebody with more cdn experience" or somebody who has worked more in canadian environements .
The words may differ but the essence is the same
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I happened to meet someone who was offered a job for less salary than they would normally pay as this person had no "Canadian experience."
I think Canadian employers are skeptic about employing people coming in from all parts of the world. Even with or without Canadian experience there are other barriers too. For some employers, skills related to the job are most important. For some employers soft skills are most important even if your skills related to the job are not that good. Some would expect a certain combination of both soft skills and skills related to the job.
Some Canadian employers use Canadian experience as a method of shortlisting candidates also. I think it is an easy method of filtering resumes for them! Rather than dealing with 100 candidates for 1 position, deal with 10-15 with Canadian experience!
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Orginally posted by rajcanada
Canadian employers use Canadian experience as a method of shortlisting candidates also.
I personally think this is true even at the interview stage. A sort of test (maybe even due to the interviewers prejudices).
e.g: I remember reading a question(back home) asked by some interviewer(some prestigious univ entrance interview or something)..."what you say if I told you your mother is a whore?".
Maybe its an urban legend but the point I'm making is that newcomers should probably go in fully expecting that question and prepared with an appropiate answer...relevant to their field.
I liked the answer BL(if I'm not mistaken) had provided when asked this question in one of his interviews. Something along the lines of how programming languages work the same irrespective of the country. Of course this has to be probably done without being arrogant or defensive. An employer would like to be assured that the person he is hiring has self-confidence.
I'm being an armchair general here since I've never faced that question myself.
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