Posted on: 09-01-05 22:45:47
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Orginally posted by BlueLobster
Good link Raj.
I personally know of a few people who moved to Alberta/Sask./NS and found better jobs after trying here in Toronto first. That does not mean these provinces guarantee better jobs however its not a big surprise that GTA is becoming an increasingly difficult market with the hige rate of immigrant influx.
I think rather than giving an armchair speech on what Canadian companies should and should not do, I would focus on what Canadian companies are doing.
If I had exhausted all my options in Toronto, I would definately give something like Alberta a decent shot. Matter of fact, my first job in Canada was in Waterloo even though it meant I had to move from TO.
You should not view every stuff as criticism or arm chairspeech.
Family is an unit formed by 2 members (spouse). If one is in a better placement, other member has to sit in that city and venture for better options. So, this calls for sitting in Toronto and apply for jobs in other province. Why moving to the province to get a job should be essential. Your friends did so because of their family set up. Give one good reason what extra input I am providing a company in Montreal by providing a Montreal local address and what wrong I am conveying by providing a Toronto address in my application to a Montreal company?
I remember applying to Sask. employment programe and recieved a reply from the placement officer that he would consider my application if I am in Sask., So should I assume that if I do take up citizenship of Canada then I will be Canada - Ontario Citizen alone.
I would have provided mail copy of Sask. govt. official here, unfortunately deleted it few days back.
There are more questions than answer to this system.
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I read this post and the discussions with lot of interest as I prepapre to start my innings in Canada in next 6 months.
Its really sad to know that Candaian companies prefer local candidates, even if they find a more suited candidate in other province. In India, its much better inspite of all the diversity in language, cutoms, weather etc...Indian employers, ask if the candidate is willing to relocate and most of the medium to big size companies pay relocation charges.
I would like to ask our experienced and 'mine of information' Gurus:
what are the emerging cities/towns/province for jobs?
Should one directly land there or as many do, start from GTA and then move on as one finds the right job?
Thanks
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Orginally posted by jago_desi
You should not view every stuff as criticism or arm chairspeech.
Family is an unit formed by 2 members (spouse). If one is in a better placement, other member has to sit in that city and venture for better options. So, this calls for sitting in Toronto and apply for jobs in other province. Why moving to the province to get a job should be essential. Your friends did so because of their family set up. Give one good reason what extra input I am providing a company in Montreal by providing a Montreal local address and what wrong I am conveying by providing a Toronto address in my application to a Montreal company?
I remember applying to Sask. employment programe and recieved a reply from the placement officer that he would consider my application if I am in Sask., So should I assume that if I do take up citizenship of Canada then I will be Canada - Ontario Citizen alone.
I would have provided mail copy of Sask. govt. official here, unfortunately deleted it few days back.
There are more questions than answer to this system.
I not criticising anyone or anything. But the fact is you and I can discuss the ethics and common-sense approach that Canadian companies should adopt forever here but it will not make a significant difference in anything. The hiring patterns of the private sector (at least) will continue to reflect market demands.
Think about something. Say a company in Calgary is hiring a candidate with a skillset they cannot find in Calgary after months of searching. And a candidate in Toronto has the very same skills they need. Do you think will not hire this candidate and let the position remain unfilled? No! They'll bend over backwards to get the guy.
However if there's ample candidates available in Calgary itself, why would they bother looking outside? An outsider would take time in moving and adjusting etc which has an indirect outcome on their performance. If you think from a company's point of view, it makes much more sense for them to hire locally.
Yes, there are complications in doing this. No doubt. But if you're stuck in a dead-end job that is taking you nowhere fast, you have to make some tough choices and find a way. That's the reality of it, whether its ethical or not is irrelevant.
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The article and subsequent postings are good info for aspiring immigrant.
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Orginally posted by BlueLobster
Good link Raj.
I personally know of a few people who moved to Alberta/Sask./NS and found better jobs after trying here in Toronto first. That does not mean these provinces guarantee better jobs however its not a big surprise that GTA is becoming an increasingly difficult market with the hige rate of immigrant influx.
I think rather than giving an armchair speech on what Canadian companies should and should not do, I would focus on what Canadian companies are doing.
If I had exhausted all my options in Toronto, I would definately give something like Alberta a decent shot. Matter of fact, my first job in Canada was in Waterloo even though it meant I had to move from TO.
Waterloo is not the best example. It is very close to To/Gta. Companies there may call you. The one call that I did receive was from a a company in Guelph (again very close).
They are close enough that you dont have to be there.
So were you stationed inWaterloo when you got the Job?
What company were you working for?
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I would agree with BL that we could go on and on discussing what the Canadian companies should do, but that shall not help us, unless we get into those positions in those companies and make a change in the philosophy and practice of these companies. At the same time, I would say that having a local has both advantages (as briefed out by BL) as well as disadvantages (even a slightly higher salary or an office slightly nearer to home would take away the guy from one company to another, since he is a local and quite established in his city, which is not the case with an outsider who takes a few years to just settle down in a new city and environment).
While it is true that Toronto is saturated with new immigrants and obviously, as it seems, there are more seekers than jobs, there is a catch for a new immigrant in moving to a new place. Most of the new immigrants who come to Canada find it easier to settle in a place where they land (like Toronto and Vancouver) and only those with special experience go to other places directly (like Calgary). And once they do settle in, a lot of factors come into play if one wants to move.
In the case given in the report, the couple is a young one, and can move any time to any part of Canada and settle down easily. I have seen such couples moving from one part of the country to another just in their car and if needed, a U-haul trailer attached. But how about those families who have children of school going age (specially middle or secondary schools) and who have qualifications and experience which is not specialised for places like Calgary/Montreal and if all things were ok, could have easily found jobs in Toronto/Vancouver? By the time they have tried in places like Toronto, and found that they cannot get jobs there, they have settled well (apart from jobs) in their daily lives in places such as Toronto. For such people, moving from say Scarborough to Mississuaga becomes a difficult, if not impossible, challange. And believe me, except for people inthe IT sector, there are very very few immigrants who come to Canada at a young age which no children.
To move children from one place to another in quick successions is very bad and even psychologists have (according to my wife!!!) commented that it should not be done. For them, having left their familiar surroundings and friends is mentally challenging, and if happens too often, becomes a hinderance in normal growth. Keeping that in mind, it becomes very very difficult for families to move from one place to another at different times of their lives. I have experienced this, and though personally I have no problem in moving to a smaller town (I could afford a big mansion there in the price I bought my house here!!), it has been almost impossible to move due to children's and wife's education.
All I want to say is that it is easier said than done that new immigrants should move out of GTA to find jobs faster and easier.
Chandresh
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Orginally posted by mercury6
Waterloo is not the best example. It is very close to To/Gta. Companies there may call you. The one call that I did receive was from a a company in Guelph (again very close).
They are close enough that you dont have to be there.
So were you stationed inWaterloo when you got the Job?
What company were you working for?
Probably not, but its an example nevertheless. I would've tried Alberta too if nothing had worked in Ontario.
I joined a startup that went bust in about a year, but that's another story.
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All I want to say is that it is easier said than done that new immigrants should move out of GTA to find jobs faster and easier.
I don't dispute that at all. For me, being a single guy at the time, the decision was pretty easy. With a family, it would have been a lot more difficult.
Still, the onus is upon me to make the tough choices. My only point was that there's not much point in cribbing about why companies don't hire from outside, its better to "go with the flow" and find ways of using the trend to your benefit. If the smaller markets are more lucrative, then they're not such a bad option, even if they're not as comfortable as GTA for a new immigrant. After a couple of years of solid experience, you can pretty much move wherever you want.
And I can assure you, this behavior is not typical for Canadian companies alone. Even in the states, companies are quite hesitant to hire from other states, unless there is no other choice.
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