AAP - Aam Admi Party - Worth knowing before and after December Elections


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febpreet   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 31-12-13 12:46:08

Another googly by Kejriwal - Power terrifs in Delhi slashed by 50%:

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/delhi-cm-kejriwal-delivers-on-power-promise-tariffs-slashed-by-50-discom-audit-next/article1-1168059.aspx

More to come. Please standby, all and sundry.



bhootnath   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 31-12-13 12:48:06

Anna is no Gandhi, the one who had blindly supported Nehru and look what happened to the country. Anna, Kiran Bedi and crew are absolutely right witht their stand and AK acknowledges and respects the same. In fact duo (Anna and AK) might have agreed on this even prior to floating AAP which may in fact be helping AAP. Anna's support might have had a reverse effect on AAP as well as on Anna's image/agenda.
As Fido correctly said they are all working for a common goal.



Delhite   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 31-12-13 13:21:21

Quote:
Originally posted by tamilkuravan

Dude/Dudess :
Even I though 700 litres was per day and I was aghast as I was using around only 100 litres per day. But it is 700 litres per month.



It is 20,000 litres per month and 666 litres per day.


http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/newdelhi/20k-litres-of-water-free-but-a-litre-more-and-you-pay-for-it-all/article1-1167892.aspx

The RSS (Rumor Spreading Sangh) is calling it as a failure of AAP to fulfill the promise. They said that AAP promised for 700 litres per day but now only giving 666.66 litres. I feel pity on their mindset.


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san-hugo   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 31-12-13 14:53:07

Quote:
Originally posted by Delhite

Quote:
Originally posted by tamilkuravan

Dude/Dudess :
Even I though 700 litres was per day and I was aghast as I was using around only 100 litres per day. But it is 700 litres per month.



It is 20,000 litres per month and 666 litres per day.


http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/newdelhi/20k-litres-of-water-free-but-a-litre-more-and-you-pay-for-it-all/article1-1167892.aspx

The RSS (Rumor Spreading Sangh) is calling it as a failure of AAP to fulfill the promise. They said that AAP promised for 700 litres per day but now only giving 666.66 litres. I feel pity on their mindset.




BJP , RSS, Congis and desciples are illetrate bunch and the fact that they are counting average as 666.66 /day is there way of cluttered up governance which they been doing.
I can easily counter that the average in the month of Feb will be 714 and few more tea cups but that is not point of discussion.

20KL /month is well thought of decision for easy billing, calculations and reconciliation. The water bills are monthly or bi-monthly and keeping the amount rounded up will save effort in billing dispute. otherwise the calculations will be different in Feb than in Jan or March and calculations of arrears or overdues will be nightmare. Again its a well thought of amount. Dumbos will not get it easily.

Governance needs logical approach towards issues which traditional parties lack.
There are thousands of examples in current system which have no logic and rather full of hassle and oldies did nothing about that, for years !

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San-Hugo (not my real name as hyphen in name yet to come in fashion)
and First CD to praise AAP on the forum. ;-)



ramar2005   
Member since: Sep 04
Posts: 1233
Location: India.

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 02-01-14 06:41:56

Poor people's homes does need to be given water at subsidized rate but not everybody.

This article in today Business Line does seem to make sense.

http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/opinion/is-free-water-supply-bad-economics

The Delhi Government should have restricted its generosity to poor households.

“It is the duty of any responsible government to provide lifeline water to its citizens. We may debate the quantum, but can we argue against the principle?” This is what Arvind Kejriwal, the newly elected Chief Minister of Delhi, tweeted immediately after announcing 666 liters of free water per day (or 20 kilolitres of water a month) to every household connected with a metre.

Is this move economically viable for the Delhi Jal Board (DJB)? Is it necessary to provide free water supply to every household? Since Delhi does not have any reliable perennial water source, where will the water come from?

JAL BOARD FINANCES

Water is increasingly becoming an economic good worldwide because of its storage and distribution costs. Rainwater is harvested in dams and reservoirs to be supplied for various purposes, including domestic use, which involves huge cost.

At the same time, groundwater is exploited at an alarming rate; it also involves huge drilling and electricity costs. The cost of management and distribution of water for urban households is massive.

Why provide water free to all households when the per capita income of this State is much higher than the national average? Is it not against the ability to pay principle? This free scheme reportedly is going to cost about Rs 160 crore per annum at current prices for the DJB and is expected to increase manifold for a variety of reasons. How is DJB to manage this cost?

According to one estimate, the DJB’s net cash revenue surplus increased from Rs 40.56 crore in 2007-08 to Rs 233.57 crore during 2013-14. DJB’s dependence on the government for operational costs reduced from Rs 380 crore in 2009-10 to zero in 2013-14, a remarkable achievement. The financial condition of DJB will now run into a mess.

Delhi does not have the luxury of a perennial surface source of water. It needs water from the neighbouring State of Haryana which is guaranteed. Haryana’s Chief Minister Bhupendra Singh Hooda has already cautioned that Delhi is getting more than its due share.

Besides, the groundwater stock is precarious in the State. As per the estimate of Central Ground Water Board, the total annual replenishable groundwater resource is only 0.30 BCM (billion cubic metres) for Delhi, but the draft of groundwater is already 0.48 BCM/year, which is way above the permissible limit. Owing to the increased scarcity of water, the present supply of water even in posh areas is only about 509 litres per household per day, below the promise made by this new government.

Therefore, there is no guarantee that the Delhi government will be able to provide the promised supply of water to all households. Considering the increased scarcity of water, is it necessary to provide free supply of water to all households? Will it not aggravate water scarcity during summer? This scheme pronounces that if a household consumes more than 20 kilo litres of water, it will have to pay for the entire water consumed with 10 per cent additional charges. How will this work? Who will monitor this? Will it not encourage consumers to tamper meters?

In most cities, the domestic consumption of water is not monitored as it involves considerable transaction cost. Delhi reportedly has a pipeline network of 14,000 km with about 68 per cent households having a piped connection. If this new scheme tries to measure the consumption of water by meter, will it not increase the operation and management cost?

A recent CAG report underlines that “the Delhi Jal Board has neither a proper system to measure the water supply to different areas nor does it have access to reliable data on population in different areas”. It, therefore, cannot ensure equitable supply of water.

If this Government is serious about improving the plight of poor people, it should provide free water only to those households which are identified as economically poor.

It is proved beyond doubt that free supply of any good to consumers will result in inefficiency. Water cannot be an exception. There is ample evidence to prove from different states that the free supply of electricity to farm sector over the years has not only increased the exploitation of groundwater but also created financial mess in many State electricity boards.

DRAWING LESSONS

A UN estimate suggests that each person needs 20-50 litres of water per day for drinking, cooking and cleaning. If this is so, the supply of water to the tune of close to 700 litres per household per day will surely increase inefficiency.

Delhi must draw lessons from the Amravati and Malkapur regions of Maharashtra. These regions provide water supply to all of its residents through skilful water use efficiency and lower per capita consumption.

McKinsey Global Institute had underlined that Delhi could experience the biggest increase in water demand from 2010 to 2025 because of fast urban agglomeration. This means the capital cost requirement for managing the amplified water demand will increase. How will the State generate resources with free supply of water?

Therefore, the present Government must rethink on its policy of providing free water supply to all households and instead try to work on providing water to poor people at an affordable rate, without affecting the viability of the DJB.

(The author is Head, Department of Economics, Alagappa University, Karaikudi.)
(This article was published on January 1, 2014)


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Surti   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 02-01-14 10:04:05

Quote:
Originally posted by Delhite

Quote:
Originally posted by tamilkuravan

Dude/Dudess :
Even I though 700 litres was per day and I was aghast as I was using around only 100 litres per day. But it is 700 litres per month.



It is 20,000 litres per month and 666 litres per day.


http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/newdelhi/20k-litres-of-water-free-but-a-litre-more-and-you-pay-for-it-all/article1-1167892.aspx

The RSS (Rumor Spreading Sangh) is calling it as a failure of AAP to fulfill the promise. They said that AAP promised for 700 litres per day but now only giving 666.66 litres. I feel pity on their mindset.



And you seems to ignore the open lies by Kejriwal! It is like a salesman selling things and blame you for not reading fineprints - oops, in case of AAP there weren't any fineprints - all were just vote catching statements...


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Delhite   
Member since: Nov 04
Posts: 938
Location: Brampton

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 02-01-14 11:27:13

Quote:
Originally posted by Surti

Quote:
Originally posted by Delhite

Quote:
Originally posted by tamilkuravan

Dude/Dudess :
Even I though 700 litres was per day and I was aghast as I was using around only 100 litres per day. But it is 700 litres per month.



It is 20,000 litres per month and 666 litres per day.


http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/newdelhi/20k-litres-of-water-free-but-a-litre-more-and-you-pay-for-it-all/article1-1167892.aspx

The RSS (Rumor Spreading Sangh) is calling it as a failure of AAP to fulfill the promise. They said that AAP promised for 700 litres per day but now only giving 666.66 litres. I feel pity on their mindset.



And you seems to ignore the open lies by Kejriwal! It is like a salesman selling things and blame you for not reading fineprints - oops, in case of AAP there weren't any fineprints - all were just vote catching statements...




Read the detailed manifesto document in Hindi - specifically point 6.12. It is very clear and in black and white the vision of AAP. It is not in fine prints - it is in bold. If you read and understand the manifesto, will appreciate it.

http://www.aamaadmiparty.org/Manifesto-for-Delhi

Let me share you the current sentiments of people of Delhi. If there is re-election in Delhi now, BJP will get seats closer to Congress and Congress may shrink even further. A storm is brewing and I feel sorry about NaMo. He is trying his best and with every passing day, loosing the battle inch by inch. The general elections will be interesting this time.


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