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Posted on: 09-11-11 01:31:36
1) Well, dude when those immigrants came they came in the belief and understanding that the government at that time was allowing them to sponser?
2) the immigrants came for themselves. Like all Canadians over the last 300 years ... not for others. Not to be promised rosy jobs and then you have to work in factories, tim's and need so called "Canadian experience".
And what meager you save, gets taxed ... and goes to subsidize.
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Originally posted by ashedfc
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Originally posted by sguk
If the government doesn't mind spending on this, then why not also spend for family migration?
Its only because the immigrant has come to Canada, its his/her personal decision (Govt of canada didn't forced him/her to come here);
& why should Govt fund he immigrants parents & grand parents. WHY??.......... its the immigrants sole responsibility to take care of his/her parents & grandparents obligations..
Government never promised anyone to provide migration route for parents and Grand parents.. what was the process then is still available now.. just the quota has been reduced or there are more applications in that category, hence the longer wait time..
Government never promised anyone the wait time will remain same or get longer or shorter..
Canadian immigration system is far more liberal than US where spouses cannot work on dependent visa, or have wait for 15 years if husband is a GC holder..
The only reason US provides GC for parents quickly is that they dont have to pay for their medical expenses.. I am sure CAD government wouldn't mind increasing the quota if we did not have to take on the medical expense burden of those who have not contributed sufficiently..
Basically u are asking others to be responsible for ur parents health care costs... I dont think thats fair,.. it will kill our health care system, which is the best part about canada and i would hope continues..
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Originally posted by sguk
1) Well, dude when those immigrants came they came in the belief and understanding that the government at that time was allowing them to sponser?
2) the immigrants came for themselves. Like all Canadians over the last 300 years ... not for others. Not to be promised rosy jobs and then you have to work in factories, tim's and need so called "Canadian experience".
And what meager you save, gets taxed ... and goes to subsidize.
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Originally posted by ashedfc
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Originally posted by sguk
If the government doesn't mind spending on this, then why not also spend for family migration?
Its only because the immigrant has come to Canada, its his/her personal decision (Govt of canada didn't forced him/her to come here);
& why should Govt fund he immigrants parents & grand parents. WHY??.......... its the immigrants sole responsibility to take care of his/her parents & grandparents obligations..
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Originally posted by DesiBabu70
Quote:so basically you are determined to blame Stephen Harper's government no matter what - regardless of facts.
Originally posted by sant
come on now .
whether they were in power or not in those years but they changed the game by letting in people who applied later than the people who were already in the Queue .
Fact is that it is not the conservatives that "changed the game".
It was Jean Creithen's govt in 2003 that changed the rules of the game.
Bill C-11.
Remember that?
it was your dearest sweet heart liberal govt. that decided to leave thousands of applicants (mostly from India and China) in limbo and created the new rules, the new point system and suspended the old applications.
I distinctly remember those days.
i remember the immigration minister issuing a statement asking all immigrants to either update their applications with the new rules or withdraw the applications.
that is how much your dearest sweet hearts care about immigrants.
want more facts?
one of the main reasons they did that bill was to enhance the refugee system to streamline (i.e. speed up) the refugee claims.
why, you may ask.
simple : to get the extra refugee grant money from the United Nations.
my friend, this whole thing is a game by the liberals.
they care for one and one thing only - maximum taxation for workers so that they can party like drunken sailors with their cushy benefits, pensions and union protection.
Quote:the only thing the conservative govt' did was refresh the list of occupations that are prioritized (the NOC codes).
do you really think this is fair to let in people who applied later and make people who applied as early as 2004 even 2003 to keep waiting ?
they have to do that based on economic realities.
if you look at those occupations on the NOC priority list, you will realize what kind of occupations are in demand.
if you belong to those occupations you can get a work permit based job.
after working for 2 years you can apply for PR.
your application will be processed within Canada and in 1 year max. you are done.
the govt is simply responding to the dynamic needs of the economy.
there is no racial agenda, no hidden agenda.
it is pure and simple economic needs.
all countries are doing the same, and actually much worse.
Really I think it is you who is hell bent on blaming liberals for anything and everything .
Liberals increased the points needed to qualify for immigration to 75 ( if i remember correctly ) and they had to reduce it as even many americans were not able to reach 75 plus points and liberals had to reduce the qualifying points because even people from english speaking countries were not able to qualify .
this reduction resulted in a lot of applications for PR .
and when harper and kenney came they started a new NOC and all, which is fine , but they stopped processing applications which were already in the queue and started giving visas to new applicants . this is unfair and conservatives are responsible for this .
I agree with you dudewheresmycar totally 100%, but let me just clarify the following:
Quote:i believe in the US you cannot sponsor parents until you are a citizen, which takes much longer than canada.
Originally posted by dudewheresmycar
The only reason US provides GC for parents quickly is that they dont have to pay for their medical expenses..
in the US, a GC takes the longest among all countries providing PR.
typical timeline in US is:
H-1B + GC = 7 years
Citizenship = 5 years
sponsor parents = 5 years
total time approx. = 15 to 17 years
some are very lucky that get GC sponsored simultaneously with H-1B in the first year or so.
for them the timeline is less but it's still not less than 10 yrs. in best case scenario.
Quote:it wasn't because \"English\" speaking countries couldn't qualify.
Originally posted by sant
liberals had to reduce the qualifying points because even people from english speaking countries were not able to qualify .
it is because most Asians couldn't qualify.
you see, people from english speaking countries don't have to take the ESL exam.
Quote:it was basically in response to changing economic situations.
but they stopped processing applications which were already in the queue and started giving visas to new applicants . this is unfair and conservatives are responsible for this
you have very conveniently forgotten how the Jean Crethin govt left hundreds of thousands on limbo when they changed the rules in 2002.
that was the real big change.
all the Harper govt. did was reduce the number of occupations in the approved NOC list.
Quote:Exactly right !!
Originally posted by ashedfc
You have lost your mind, You don't know what you are recommending above..
OAS/GIS is the only means of survival for poor seniors (retired people) who have nowhere else to go, & they have to deal with higher cost of living, paying through every essentials, with no one else to help them.. as inflation is taking wealth away from people.
instead of abolishing OAS and GIS, my humble suggestion is how about we abolish all the juicy pensions that the fat public sector is getting.
they are literally bankrupting the whole country with these over generous fatcat pensions.
some poeple whine about $1B spent on G20 summit
do you realize how many billions and billions are being robbed from the tax payers and poured into this endless pit of public sector benefits.
it is your money - you should be worried about where it is going and how it is being spent.
there is a new book out this month called The Pension Ponzi - it's a must read.
no, I didn't write it but it will show you what a huge issue this is and that I am not the only one worried by this insane tax and spend policy.
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Harper is an economists; he knows much better about these aspects.. At a time when the world is struggling, Canada is fortunate to have a very able PM in charge of the country. Its the conservative policies which has successfully pulled Canada out of this global mess, & thanks to Liberal policies, Ontario is stuck in sinkhole...
Exactly...100% true.
for those that live in Ontario, prepare for very very hard years ahead in terms of cost of living and taxation.
BC has already raised the provincial gasoline tax.
I predict that it will go up in Ontario soon.
next is coming a carbon tax.
noticed the hydro rates lately?
if you think the liberals or NDP will give you an immigrant friendly paradise, wake up.
how is health tax, eco fee, HST, hydro rates and gasoline tax working out for you?
don't worry there is more coming.
just keep voting for McGuinty....
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Originally posted by DesiBabu70
Quote:it wasn't because \"English\" speaking countries couldn't qualify.
Originally posted by sant
liberals had to reduce the qualifying points because even people from english speaking countries were not able to qualify .
it is because most Asians couldn't qualify.
you see, people from english speaking countries don't have to take the ESL exam.
Quote:it was basically in response to changing economic situations.
but they stopped processing applications which were already in the queue and started giving visas to new applicants . this is unfair and conservatives are responsible for this
you have very conveniently forgotten how the Jean Crethin govt left hundreds of thousands on limbo when they changed the rules in 2002.
that was the real big change.
all the Harper govt. did was reduce the number of occupations in the approved NOC list.
well you need to check your facts about english speaking countries have to take the ESL exam or not .
everybody has to take it .
rules were changed but nobody jumped the queue in 2002 unlike in harper/kenney's kingdom.
so you are the one who who forgets if something is NOT convenient for you not me .
learn to accept when conservatives has meeesed up something instead of just pointing fingers at liberals all the time .
by the way I am not really a big fan of Ginty baba .
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Originally posted by DesiBabu70
some poeple whine about $1B spent on G20 summit
do you realize how many billions and billions are being robbed from the tax payers and poured into this endless pit of public sector benefits.
it is your money - you should be worried about where it is going and how it is being spent.
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So you are saying spending $1billion is correct. People who talk against it are whining.....you consider public sector pensions as a rip off....Do you think conservative has power to change it and will change it?
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Originally posted by Desi # 1
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Originally posted by DesiBabu70
some poeple whine about $1B spent on G20 summit
do you realize how many billions and billions are being robbed from the tax payers and poured into this endless pit of public sector benefits.
it is your money - you should be worried about where it is going and how it is being spent.
.
So you are saying spending $1billion is correct. People who talk against it are whining.....you consider public sector pensions as a rip off....Do you think conservative has power to change it and will change it?
Come on Desi 1 .....
it is just CAD 30/- or so per head
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