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DesiBabu70   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 03-03-11 13:43:02

KumarM is right.
i'm not saying the match was fixed because of what Shane Warne twitted.
fixing is rampant these days.
it is not the results that are fixed. usually final results are not fixed (sometimes they are but not often).
match fixing doesn't mean final result is fixed.
it is more common for certain aspect of the match to the fixed.
such as a particular batsman not scoring runs.
or fielding team allowing one batsman to score freely
or a particular bowler not bowling well.

it is very hard for TV cameras to pick this up because the game is so fast and it is almost impossible to say which action was intentional and which one was not.

i have been involved with the game for a long time and can tell you this : these days some or the other thing is fixed in most matches.
shane warne does happen to be one of the biggest culprits in the game.
he was also the one that induced Mark Waugh into match fixing.
I don't know if this fact is known or not.
I will also tell you this: Sachin is not involved at all. never has been.
but even if he knows someone from his team is involved, he does not report the person because he's very loyal person.
he's a very shrewd observer of the game and he often finds out when something is fixed but he keeps quiet.
many years ago he knew Major Prabhakar was involved in match fixing but he kept quiet for a long time.

I'm not involved with the game any more so don't have insider information about each and every game and what was fixed and what's not.
but rest assured there is rampant fixing going on.

last thing: fixing is not the same as betting, some people confuse the two.
betting is fine and in fact happens on almost all major sports.
it is only when the players get involved that it becomes fixing.
betting has been going on in cricket for decades, from before any of the current players were even born.

some of you may know, but perhaps one of the earliest instances of a fixed match was in the 1975 world cup in India vs. England where our littkle master Gavaskar scored 60 run in 60 over (or something like that) to make India lose the game even though they had a great chance of winning.
that was an example of a fixed match as a result of a bet.

anyhow i don't want to deny anyone the enjoyment of watching the game.
so if you like it, sure watch it.
but just be aware that a lot of things are fixed these days, and it's getting worse every year.



chcool   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 03-03-11 16:31:50

1975 Match score card

The following link shows the score card for the 1975 match between india and england.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/current/match/65035.html

How do you say india would have won the match so easily? Are you joking



DesiBabu70   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 03-03-11 17:06:29

I'm not joking.
remember this was a 60 over match, not the 50 over like these days.
I didn't say India would have won, I said they had a good chance.
regardless of what would have happened, Gavaskar made it impossible for India to win.
by playing the way he did, he ensured that India cannot win.
it is proven by the fact that Gavaskar remained not-out until the end.

you probably don't know this, but Gavaskar's dad was a big time better on cricket.
he had placed a rather large bet on India losing that game.
as far as I know no one other than Gavaskar was involved in the fixing.

it is naive to believe that after all the match fixing charges from last few years and so many big players sacked and suspended, match fixing has somehow all of a sudden stopped.
that is naive to believe.
rest assured, it is rampant and is happening at every level, almost every team.
some are worse than others like Pakistan, Sri Lanka, India and Australia.
and some are pretty clean like New Zealand.
but it's widespread.



Maharaj   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 03-03-11 17:09:04

Quote:
Originally posted by 7wonders
if it was fixed then sachin would never be involved he played...
Not a single chance


wow ... what confidence.


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7wonders   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 03-03-11 17:21:00

Quote:
Originally posted by chandresh

Quote:
Originally posted by 7wonders

:clap: shane warne predicted thats why it was tie...

Now did he say who will win world cup too? so can stop watching games..

come on man..it was close match..if it was fix then top order batsman would have hit sixes not the last man to come and play..

if it was fixed then sachin would never be involved he played..Zahir khan got wickets..

they are getting soo much money for playing now then why would they fix? its not easy now to fix..there are video cameras, security is there. There are people just looking for this kind of sting operations and players are aware of it now...

Not a single chance



while not commenting whether the match was fixed or not, I would say I find quite a few flaws (not really, but I can't get the right work) in your post.

1. Do you watch a match only to know the result or to enjoy the match? Many people see replays and highlights only to enjoy the game even though they already know the results.

2. Fix does not mean that only the top order has to do it. On a regular betting arena, the odds keep changing all the time - you can bet while the match is being played. If a match is fixed, the bets will go up if there is a see-saw - if it is not a such, then new bets will not come in, and the ones who have fixed the match will not gain any extra monies, which can at times be higher than bets placed before the start of the match.

3. Money is not the only criteria for players to play according to the fix. Now a days, a threat of life or other threats is a bigger force than money.

But whatever said and done, as a spectator, for the first time in my life, towards the last 5 overs of the game, I had a feeling that the match was fixed - in favour of India, and then suddenly in the last over, I thought it was in favour of England - but definitely I felt it was fixed.

and I guess a tie with such a see-saw would give higher returns to bookies than a result in favour of one team. It is like very little money is placed on 0 and 00 in roulette compared to other bets. A casino wins highest if the ball falls on 0 or 00.





IF you read the news or if you check on Bet365 it clearly said that if the match is tie and there is no result then there will be dead bet. So in fact Ind Vs Eng, people saved lots of their money
http://sportsbooklists.com/sports-betting-rules/cricket.shtml
So i think you are wrong in this case..IF this match was fix that means Piyush chawla, Munaf Patel, their tail enders, staruss, Zahir khan were invovled?

check your self.


Most of the time top order batsman or front line bowlers are invovled in match fixing. IF they ask Virat kohli or Yuvraj not to score with bat and suppose sehwag and sachin n dhoni finishes the game then their money goes to drain. Look for the past history and you will realise that bookies always select main players of the team.

Overall just enjoy the good cricket yaar..


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chcool   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 03-03-11 17:58:40

Quote:
Originally posted by DesiBabu70

I'm not joking.
remember this was a 60 over match, not the 50 over like these days.
I didn't say India would have won, I said they had a good chance.
regardless of what would have happened, Gavaskar made it impossible for India to win.
by playing the way he did, he ensured that India cannot win.
it is proven by the fact that Gavaskar remained not-out until the end.

you probably don't know this, but Gavaskar's dad was a big time better on cricket.
he had placed a rather large bet on India losing that game.
as far as I know no one other than Gavaskar was involved in the fixing.

it is naive to believe that after all the match fixing charges from last few years and so many big players sacked and suspended, match fixing has somehow all of a sudden stopped.
that is naive to believe.
rest assured, it is rampant and is happening at every level, almost every team.
some are worse than others like Pakistan, Sri Lanka, India and Australia.
and some are pretty clean like New Zealand.
but it's widespread.



Previous to 1975 edition, India had no experience at all in one day matches.

If you see the india scores in all matches you wil understand that. The bookies need not have to fix the match for england to win. It was automatic win for england.



DesiBabu70   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 03-03-11 19:22:05

Quote:
Originally posted by chcool
Previous to 1975 edition, India had no experience at all in one day matches.

If you see the india scores in all matches you wil understand that. The bookies need not have to fix the match for england to win. It was automatic win for england.

regardless, it was fixed.
whether you choose to believe or not is entirely up to you, when I'm saying that I have definite first hand information.

anyhow, 1975 was a long time ago.
you cannot discount out the fact that match fixing is not occuring on a regular basis these days based on whether you believe that 1975 example or not.
i will say again that it is naive to believe that after all the charges, convictions and allegations that have been coming out in the last 5 to 7 years that somehow all of a sudden the players have become clean and honest and magically stopped getting involved.

allegations and evidence is coming out each day, as recent as this week when sri lanka capt. is charged.

inspite of that if you believe that ignorance is a bliss and you are happy to spend your time watching the matches that's fine.
i'm not denying you your enjoyment.
i personally choose not to spend my time on this.



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