Posted on: 20-10-10 23:11:14
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Originally posted by bombayduck62
Well, I am a Mumbaikar and a marathi manoos but I don't support the thakrey clan. Balasaheb is a dead man walking and his grandson is trying to gain a footing to continue with the gunda raj that prevails in mumbai today.
The govt neeeds to take a firm stance against these morons.
Mumbai belongs to no one like any other city or town in India and minorities must be protected.
As for Rohington Mistry's book I support it. Freedom of expression is a fundemental right of every person in a functionong democracy.
Do you support publication of Cartoons of Mohammed? Would you support an artist who writes derogatory things about your family member?
\i do not think \balasaheb is against minorities per se. He always has said that he has no issue with Muslims who love India and respect its constitution. He has issue with those who cheer Pakistan. It would be interesting if you can post some link which says that he is against minority
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Originally posted by Nightmare
I hope it was not your secular liberal bleeding heart which was at pain. You wonder how “few selected goons started deciding what I should study and what not, what I should write and what not? This is not how democracy works.” I guess you have missed understanding the functioning of Indian democracy.
It is erroneous to assume that criticising Bal Thackarey makes me a "bleeding heart liberal". I am equally critical of Congress and its cronies too. I believe that freedom of thought and expression is a right provided by the constitution of India and should not be taken away from its citizens.
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You worry about the book but in India, fate of democracy is decided by “few Goons” by capturing booths and intimidating voters in UP, Bihar, West Bengal and interior parts of many states.
Yes. That is the shortcoming of Indian democracy. Goons are everywhere in politics, may be because the educated class tend to abstain from political involvement.
But still, I would hate to have right wing zealots decide what I should study and what not.
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Likewise, a few bleeding heart pseudo liberals decide economic conditions affecting lives of millions of people like Medha Patkar who helped delay Narrmda project.
I do not know the details of the "Narmada Bachao Andolan", but if she came up with facts and numbers, yes I would have supported that. I also support the people who oppose the mining companies in Madhya Pradesh, if the government/company is not able to provide suitable relocation to people. I do criticise the violent means they have taken to oppose the government.
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As regards your zeal to protect artistic freedom, I hope you unflinchingly tell your friends and colleagues that you support publishing Mohammed Cartoons. I always ask views of those of my colleagues / friends who talk about “artistic freedom” about that moron who paint anti Hindu paintings.
I would support Hussain if he unequivocally supported the Danish cartoonist while criticising the violence that followed the publishing of cartoons. I would also like Hussain to criticise Theo Van Gogh's murder.
And what happened to all the protests against Paki artists performing in Big Boss? All the protests fizzled out. That's Shiv Sena for you.
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Originally posted by meghal
I believe that freedom of thought and expression is a right provided by the constitution of India and should not be taken away from its citizens.
Yes ... should not be taken away from Indian Citizen. But one must be responsible enough to exercise that Right. As you pointed out exercising freedom is one thing and the manner in which it is carried out is other. Filthy Language and Violent protest is not the way to go ... Specially considering the fact that Rohinton Mistry is NOT Indian Citizen - he has NO Right to complain (if he is) after what he wrote about India.
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Originally posted by Nightmare
\i do not think \balasaheb is against minorities per se. He always has said that he has no issue with Muslims who love India and respect its constitution. He has issue with those who cheer Pakistan. It would be interesting if you can post some link which says that he is against minority
Isn't this the same Balaji who said "Ek Bihari sau bemari".... wow how proud an Indian you should be .... but wait isn't Bihari an Indian !!!!!
Jai ho Balasaheb ki .... ab khush
Meghal,
No offence to you, but most advocates of free speech seem to cross the fine line between Merit and no-merit. Everybody has to use his or her judgement, SS or anyone else cannot force them to do it. I agree with you on this.
However, this cannot be true for a university syllabus - where the students are 'required' to refer and follow the syllabus, even though they have their own reservations. IMO, the University made the blunder while including it in the official syllabus and promptly corrected it. It is unfortunate that the goons from SS get the credit and the political mileage out of it.
Banning the book in its entirety - that I don't support. Let each one choose his/her subject and author. The book can still be sold/read in the country but there is no need to make it an official syllabus.
I hope you take this in the right spirit.
Hiren
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Originally posted by hchheda
However, this cannot be true for a university syllabus - where the students are 'required' to refer and follow the syllabus, even though they have their own reservations. IMO, the University made the blunder while including it in the official syllabus and promptly corrected it. It is unfortunate that the goons from SS get the credit and the political mileage out of it.
The book was in the syallabus for last three years !!! You want to believe in the fairy tale that it was pulled because the "university"found some fault with it, be my guest. But this has been solely removed from syllabus because Balasahebs grandson had to make an "entry"into politics.
I dont think either Satanic verses or robinton mistries book are textbook material and both deserve to be removed from the university because they harm religiuos sentiment and make judgements on current political leaders
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Originally posted by meghal
Whether it is banning "Satanic Verses" or "Such a long journey", the protests and the ban are undemocratic and threat to freedom of speech.
Shame on you Bombay university, for bowing down to goons
http://www.cbc.ca/arts/books/story/2010/10/16/mistry-mumbai-university.html?
