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Originally posted by puttoo
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Originally posted by web2000
even if we belong to different provinces/cultures in India, why do we hesitate so much to speak in Hindi which is our national language.
Not to take this thread in a new direction ... but .... Hindi is NOT the national language of India .... there are twenty two languages which are recognised as national languages as per the constitution ......
Hindi is the language of the "Union " or you can call it the offical language .... but then so is English .... so if you see two desis talking in English .... you can safely say they are talking in desi languageand
Yes, I meant common language. I am not saying that every desi should speak in common/official language of India. If they can communicate in english then there is no harm. Would u like to learn all the 22 languages or stick with just 1 or 2 languages? I am giving you the practical example based on 80-20 rule which apply to the mass population. Theoretically, you can do anything.
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Posted on: 23-01-09 17:08:03
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Originally posted by viggy
Not directly on CBCD, but I have another confusion.... For the past few months, I thought I'm seeing new members (mostly south indian sounding names) joing CD, starting off a topic which can be debated either way, then just disappear all together.... or am I mistaken?
Revathy, Geetahari, NaradaVijaya etc. are some of the id's I can think of...
Very True.
And I am seeing resemblane of DIO (Dude in Ottawa) with Kumar M
The posts are just the same, both the posters's from IT, in Ottawa and in Canadian govt. Service.
Looks like BL has a lot of work in his hands when he returns from vacation to India.
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Very True.
And I am seeing resemblane of DIO (Dude in Ottawa) with Kumar M
The posts are just the same, both the posters's from IT, in Ottawa and in Canadian govt. Service.
Looks like BL has a lot of work in his hands when he returns from vacation to India.
Peace by TK
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Posted on: 23-01-09 22:01:01
interesting- and I have friends from India who don't think that the children here are half as westernized as children in certain areas in India.
Dating is from the time I was of dating age in India. Maybe even before for all I know.My cousins were struck with 'Loveria' in India way back in the 70s and finally married one of their dates( both female and male cousins I am talking about here)
And anything else you can think of which one normally attributes to western culture is there in India - maybe not as broadbased as it is here but definitely there.
And do they think it is western culture? They think it is evolution of habits/culture in India.
Many of my friends even laugh at people who think they are 'westernized' when they come here and talk to them. In the context of being 'westernized' they think they are more so (my friends from India) than those here.
Anyway, this topic will always be there, because the majority in India are prob diff than those here but in absolute numbers, I am pretty sure there are more 'westernized' folks in India than there are overseas in 'Western' countries.
And don't forget about the Indians down under- they are 'easternized' ( that's a sick Bombay joke form the 70s)- I am sure you get the drift.
I never got this notion about ABCD and CBCD anyways. It is just a label stuck onto Indians in Canada and America to say they are confused- but are they? They are just asserting their own identity and others label them so.
Why is there no label like SBCD (Singapore born confused Desi), AFBCD (African born confused Desi). TBCD (Thailand born confused Desi - who is used to no hands 
).
BBCD - Brit born confused desi.
AuBCD- Australian born Confused Desi -too easternized.
BTW - there are widows and widowers (like in their 60s) in India who hang out at clubs (like Deccan Gymkhanna- Poona club, CCI club, Otter's club- not the dancing clubs) and date as well. Many even end up marrying each other for companionship.
These are old folks who have grown up in India all their life.
Is this a western influence or is it an evolution of Indian culture?
maybe they hang out at other places than clubs as well. I am only giving clubs as an example because I have seen this happen there. I have even attended weddings of 60 year olds who have lost their spouses.
Anyway... just some thoughts.
Enjoy the weekend. Lotsa republic day parties going on right left and centre.
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Originally posted by investpro
interesting- and I have friends from India who don't think that the children here are half as westernized as children in certain areas in India.
Dating is from the time I was of dating age in India. Maybe even before for all I know.My cousins were struck with 'Loveria' in India way back in the 70s and finally married one of their dates( both female and male cousins I am talking about here)
And anything else you can think of which one normally attributes to western culture is there in India - maybe not as broadbased as it is here but definitely there.
And do they think it is western culture? They think it is evolution of habits/culture in India.
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I so agree with your post. However I think we would be in the minority here since we are comparing India from a Bombay(maybe even a more upper middle class) point of view. I just came back from mumbai and caught up with a lot of college friends...quite a few of them married their college sweethearts (like me) and are happily married 17 yrs since...90% of these marriages are outside of their respective communities even religions. These are the guys holding good positions in the multinationals and are well into the upper middle class/rich of society in Mumbai. For them dating etc is not as much a taboo as it is to some on this forum.
I've also seen a big rise in live in relationships, divorces etc etc... especially amongst the well to do youngsters. All the earning power have given youngsters a lot of freedom including the power of making their own decisions and independence. Mindsets even among the conservatives have changed...many of my relatives who thought I was too westernized now seem perfectly at peace with their own kids(now youngsters of the boom period) sporting tattoos, funky hair and partying lifestyles to match.
My guess is that most of the conservative mindset on this forum have their roots in the more closed norms outside of the upper middle class(and above) structures AND/OR outside of the more cosmopolitan parts/niches of India.
Honestly, even amongst the middle class in Mumbai I felt that these issues(dating, love marriages etc) are not a big factor from what I saw during my visit.
There is also definitely tension between the changing/evolving value system and some of the older ways. Ultimately, the ones who have the money will probably be in a position to impose their values and in most cases it means the newly affluent younger gen will have their way.
But then again maybe the OP did not mean 'westernized' to be specific to dating and was more concerned with the other cultural aspects.
Also India is not just Bombay/Mumbai.
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Posted on: 24-01-09 22:48:45
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Originally posted by jake3d
I so agree with your post. However I think we would be in the minority here since we are comparing India from a Bombay(maybe even a more upper middle class) point of view. I just came back from mumbai and caught up with a lot of college friends...quite a few of them married their college sweethearts (like me) and are happily married 17 yrs since...90% of these marriages are outside of their respective communities even religions. These are the guys holding good positions in the multinationals and are well into the upper middle class/rich of society in Mumbai. For them dating etc is not as much a taboo as it is to some on this forum.
I've also seen a big rise in live in relationships, divorces etc etc... especially amongst the well to do youngsters. All the earning power have given youngsters a lot of freedom including the power of making their own decisions and independence. Mindsets even among the conservatives have changed...many of my relatives who thought I was too westernized now seem perfectly at peace with their own kids(now youngsters of the boom period) sporting tattoos, funky hair and partying lifestyles to match.
My guess is that most of the conservative mindset on this forum have their roots in the more closed norms outside of the upper middle class(and above) structures AND/OR outside of the more cosmopolitan parts/niches of India.
Honestly, even amongst the middle class in Mumbai I felt that these issues(dating, love marriages etc) are not a big factor from what I saw during my visit.
There is also definitely tension between the changing/evolving value system and some of the older ways. Ultimately, the ones who have the money will probably be in a position to impose their values and in most cases it means the newly affluent younger gen will have their way.
But then again maybe the OP did not mean 'westernized' to be specific to dating and was more concerned with the other cultural aspects.
Also India is not just Bombay/Mumbai.
Culture is not a static thing. It is always evolving. Particularly when technology and communication as well as influences from different parts of the world invade more traditional communities, you will see gradual changes in the normes and mores of the people.
Interestingly, I have often heard people say "oh, they are too westernized" when the pretext of the conversation is to complain about how one's children arent following some rules, asserting their independance or attempting to do something else that does not fit their parents ideals for them. Its often something external to blame.
I have met people from India (as Jake mentioned, from Mumbai and Delhi and related areas) that are far more westernized in their lifestyles and behaviors than most indo canadian 2nd generation kids I have met here.
to the original poster: If your kids grow up with the value to be the best human being they can be, and they are taught the value in learning about and honoring their own culture and heritage then they will never be "confused desi's. Its when children have religion and ways that dont fit with the world that they live in..forced literally down their throats ..that as children naturally do..they will rebel.
It doesnt sound from your second post that that is what you are doing, so I wouldnt worry. Do they speak an Indian language? Do you celebrate cultural festivals etc at home? If so, encourage your children's participation in these activities, including planning them.
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