CD's,
I am listing below my experiences with Desi bosses. This is just MY Experience and MY Opinion and it canot be taken as some set in stone principles.
I agree with the OP that a majority of Desi bosses treat their subordinates as people inferior. This is generally due to the fact that Desi Bosses know the Desi principles of living and just try to exploit their junior desi's with this weak points.They also take advantage of knowing about the Desi's personal life. I contibute this mainly due to the Desi's lack of professional ethics while studying or at work.
OTOH, Desi Bosses are esp. soft toward their english counter parts giving them leave, benefits more than what they would offer a junior desi working under them.
Some example to substantiate my point :
1. In India, I had a manager who was very keen to see that he gets his full benefits, leave etc.. In fact he would spend 1 hour daily reviewing all his bills owed by the company etc... but he would hesitate to sign even a genuine bill for his junior. He would also not grant any leave (irrespective of the situation) while he himself took full leave. Also he would come at 5:00 pm and tell all of us to work till 6:30 so as to show the management that we were sincere and leave at 5:05 pm. All were afraid of him since he was the same caste as that of the management. This was in L&T.
2. In Saudi, All Desi managers that i had known or heard off fall into Point 1.
3. In Canada, I have seen that all European/ English/American managers have a sort of the same scale for all. Even if he was a hard task master, he would use the same scale for all, irrespective of their country of origin. But this only after the candidate has cleared the discriminatory barrier of "Canadian Experience".
4. In my experience, I have never seen a particular country man discriminating against person of the same country with the exception of Desi's

Some one had said that if this was the case, then how would India Inc. come up. Well, this has been the reason why India was very slow in coming up. For example, a Desi boss would care only about his leave, benefits etc.. and this making the Desi Junior to while away his time b'cos he has no reason to give his full 100% b'cos his boss does not care about him at all. Now, I hear that with all the IT boom in India, the situation is slowly turning for the better. Previously firing a person from a job was unheard of but now slowly with higher salaries and better management, this is becoming a reality.
Also with respect to "Pygmy's" there is a saying in Tamil which says " Belive in a thief rather than a Pygmy" and i have found the statement true with Desi Pygmies. But i donot have sufficent date to declare results with other races
I am withholding some of my other observations as it may not be in line with this forum's principles.

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What happened Jake .... Lizy is still there & Charles is next in line

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Chandresh,

While LT has expressed his/her feelings with maximum emotions, it sort of points to a general atmosphere which we know in most cases.
In my post, 70% of the desi managers I've worked with were of the so-so category but about 25-30% were on par with the managment style of the Westeners (maintaining real professional environment, ie.., be a human being when needed and kick the ass when it is right)...

What ever the conclusion you may arrive, but the hard real truth is that "Desi's aren't good when it comes to management (which is often offered to them due to their superior skills), they fail miserably.

I seriously consider my views are high undisputable.....Part of my interest to move to west (10 years back) was also to hone my mgmt skills I'd observed while working with American managers in Middle east... Certain things, books can't help really, it is the environment that influences. Very unfortunately, I do see I often such interests are compromised.

Moral of the story here is not really something very hard to infer rather it is more apparent. I think it is the hypocrasy that is challenged against the truth here.


JRF.

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If you have a desi boss or bosses , Just forget that Job and look for a new job..............If you have desi boss,you will never grow or you will be never be allowed to grow your growth and freedom is in big stake...................

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So you being a desi, the story will continue with you too, right???? Tell me where you work and all of us CDs will make it sure never to even go near that office to look for a job.........just in case you become the boss....we will be doomed!

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Out of my 8 years in US, I'd encountered about 3 Canadian Managers/Directors.
Alas! they were equally. I was indeed sugar coating my views about the Western Mgmt, in fact I was indirectly exalting Americna Mgrs and American way of Mgmt not really Canadian or the British (I still struggle to understand thier English and not as comfortable as the American English or American loosely). Frankly, not much experience with British Managers.

I do not hesitate to raise my voice to single "American Managers" or "Managers learn American Mgmt" the best.

Strong disparities between Americans in general and their politicians often baffle me. Mmmm I'm probably feeling bit nostalgic and inclinging towards the common trend of looking at the past (remembering good things alone).


Conclusion, Canadian Mgrs I experienced in US were on par with our beloved Desi mgrs while exhibiting the hasty way of doing things and being apparently greedy/meddlesome. I'm yet to work with either Canadian or an Immigrant deeply assimilated to the Canadian mgmt style at full scale.

I appreciate your comments about the Canadian Mgmt style you'd been experiencing in your day to day life..........

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Chandresh,

What ever the conclusion you may arrive, but the hard real truth is that "Desi's aren't good when it comes to management (which is often offered to them due to their superior skills), they fail miserably.

JRF.

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All I am trying to say that if what you observe, think or infer is really true, the same will be the case with you or Loser two because you are desis too.

If you say NO - you are denying your own observations and inferences.

If you say YES, well it is a pathetic situation because you guys know what is right, and want that to prevail, but will neither contribute nor assist in producing the 'right' way of managing.

OTOH, how many cultures have you known apart from desi to be able to get true opinion from them and compare to the desi way of thinking? I have been fortunate to be closely associated with people from the chinese, russian, british, italian and jewish culture and guess what........they all seem to confess in private the same feeling as you and Loser two for thier own culture. The have told me n number of times that only in their culture people behave in such a manner and their tribesmen are the worst lot!

So it is basically like a relationship you grow inreal life. If you meet a person no too often, you normally are able to see the good points in him since he makes an extra effort to be good to all others. Only when relationships develop into more close or intimate levels, then you see the real person - and that is a bag of good and bad .......the bad that you had never seen earlier.

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And speaking of my experience - I have found goras to be biggest hypocrates -they will use words like awesome, great, fantastic, without meaning a minute percentage of the actual meaning of the word. Many times I have come across situations where they don't even hear what you are saying in reply to their own questions because they have pre-conceived notions/expected replies - the classic example being when they ask a simple question 'Hey how are you doing'. Try replying to them 'in a mess' - and more often than not you might hear ' Great!

Chandresh'

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