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I am not coming to Canada, No no - Coming Now!
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Dear All,

The most awaited day, for which I waited for 3 years came in my life and I WAS NOT HAPPY. I got the waiver on 18th June. Let me list out the reasons,

1 Canadiandesi.com, after reading so many posts I came to know about the reality prevailing at this time.

2 My family, I do not want my family to be broken. My parents are above 70 now and I am the only son.

3 My present financial & professional status in India. I and my wife both work in the booming finance sector in India and the joint income is touching almost 8 lakhs P.A. Net take home comes to almost 55 K.

Let me tell you, I do wish to see the world, earn more money and face new challenges, BUT NOT AT THE COST OF MY PRESENT. I live in PRESENT and I feel, that is stronger in my case then any other ambitions.

I gave myself 5 options, and after analyzing each and every minute thing attached, I finally selected the 4th option. And that means I am not coming to Canada for settlement.

Here are the 5 options

1 We both Go there, wind up everything here, do part time jobs, study further and start struggling to settle. And most importantly pray to god, that within these 2/3 years, nothing should happen to my family members (major health issues), otherwise, we would have to come back and would ultimately result in to major financial and TIME LOSS.

2 My wife continues here, I reach Canada, do the same thing without her and try calling her after I settle. And then family members can start coming on visitor visas till we reach to a stage of sponsoring them).

3 Completely forget the project and firmly accept to stay in India and grow further. I would even save some 2 lakhs, which is required to be paid before leaving (Rs. 67300 (RCMP) + 65500 (AGENT fees) + 60000 (AIR TICKEST). These two lakhs can once again enable us to re-gain the Indian luxuries like car/ac etc..(I SOLD MY CAR ETC..To cope up with the project's fund requirement).

4 Fourth, which I thought to be more intense one right now, i.e. I go there for 15/20 days alone, take my PR and reach back India. I had long discussions with my boss and leaves up to 20/30 days should not be a problem. With this we would loose 162800 (except my wife's air ticket everything is same as above), but we will take that as investment for future. Because with PR holding, in future I am keeping the option open, or our kids can have their future option open. At least the doors would not be closed for us for ever. After reaching back, we would re-engage ourselves with our Indian work routine and start saving for future. If I do not get what I should be after 2/3 years in my growth path here, at least I can re-open the option of Canada.

5 "We both go together, get the PR, I come back and resume in my duties. My wife stays back with her cousin and start looking for a job (I am yet to check the technicality involved, as whether Principal applicant can come back without SPOUSE). Because at least one positive factor in majority, I have found that females do get jobs fast. If she can sustain for a period of 6 months, I can then join her with more savings. This is a reverse scene then point - 2, but the advantage is that the bigger part of current income is continued. Only my wife's salary loss would take place ,which can be easily replaced by her any part time call centre or banking job in Canada.

Finally I selected the no. 4 option and that too, we both would go in APRIL - 2005 for 20 days and come back with PR. Hence we would have our 5 years clock beginning from 2005. I could have gone alone right now, but when we have an opportunity then why we should not go together for 20 days on a vacation and come back.

I thought of sharing this, as I know there are so many like me in the queue. I seek your valued inputs now, whether you agree/endorse to my decision or not.

Regards,

VJ

And now I changed my decision:

I know, this is going to catch a huge FIRE. But yes, today at this moment I have no doubt whatsoever, that "I AM COMING TO CANADA". I know lot of people (more then 6000 views to my earlier post of NOT COMING TO CANADA), would react in different ways. Some will say, Kya ho gaya, pahele na bolta tha, why he is coming, or some will say, aa gaya na line pe?

But, that’s the way it is. So many things I wrote in my replies about justifications at each step of my decision. But since few days, it’s been a battle of lot of thoughts. Lot of reality based factors. Lot of professional factors. However the reason remains the same as I once again repeat, I always go on three factors "STHAL (PLACE), "SANJOG (CIRCUIMSTANCE) and SAMAY (TIME).

Why I am coming (On personal factors)

I still remember a scene of a Hindi movie called "Dilwale Dulhaniya le jayenge", it was ANUPAM KHER, the father talking to SHAHRUKH KHAN, the son. Shahrukh khan requests Anupam that he wants to go to EUROPE for vacation and first he says no. But listening that the SON decides not to go, he immediately says nahi "TUJE EUROPE JARUR JANA HAI, APNE LIYE NAHI TO MERE LIYE, TUJE MERI JAWANI JINI HAI".

The point is sometimes, one generation has to sacrifice for many more to come. It happens actually, especially in our Indian culture. My father was a simple, small-time Govt. servant. Daily in the morning he used to paddle his HERO CHAMP (I remember the moped name) and slowly at the speed of 30 KPH, he would reach his office and in the evening, I used to wait for him and see him coming back in the same tilted way of sitting on the moped. He worked for 37 long years at the same place. He did manage to bring us up. I had a 100 % physically handicapped sister, who recently died. I have other 2 sisters, who got married within the last 3 years. He got retired in 92 and I had to take over, and that too without completing my Graduation. I could do only a small DIPLOMA. SO today I am once again like my father making two ends meet.

So when I used to see that 3rd or 4th page of my passport since last few days with a WHITE STMAP on it, written as "CANADA VISA", I used to do a lot of SELF TALK. What should I do for my next generation to come? I think I am fighting for myself right now, not for my future generations to come. We owe a lot to the coming world. What I feel is every person, who is the bread winner of his family must have a progressive thinking. Progressive is like X+1 (with a vision of next 2 generations). THE BOTTOMLINE IS I WANT TO CREATE A VERY STRONG UNBREAKABLE PLATFORM FOR MY FAMILY MEMBERS (MY KIDS, MY SISTER’S KIDS AND OTHERS) BY EARNING MORE IN A PLACE LIKE CANADA.

Why I am coming (On professional factors)

Recently I got promoted and I came to kutch. I am always attached to a place called BHUJ, which is my native. Somehow after the earthquake and after my survival from the earthquake (as me and my wife do not want to remember the date 26th Jan, I am not writing much about the experience), I took a decision of coming to KUTCH. Now the place for the base station is GANDHIDHAM. And let me tell you its one of the most horrible places I have ever experienced in my life, DUST, POILLUTION, TRANSPORT, WATER, ELECTRICTY PROBLEM, LANGUAGE, MENTALITY OF PEOPLE what not…I generally fit my self in any condition. But this town makes me crazy. Can you believe every night when you finally sleep after a hectic work schedule of 14 hours, Electricity goes off for 3,4,5 hours. My wife and I literally do not sleep. I work in a private insurance company as a branch manager with income more then 6 lakhs P.A and my wife is an ASST MANAGER with a bank earning more then 2.5 lakhs P.A. Can you believe with this kind of income, we can live a king-size life. BUT THIS PLACE CALLED GANDHIDHAM IS NOTHING FOR US. You can’t even breathe well. I can't leave being a senior before 2 years.

So that’s the story so far, I know I may have lot of reactions from you all, but my decision is final now “I AM COMING, NOT FOR THE PRESENT BUT FOR THE FUTURE”

I would surely contribute further on this. I wanted to convey my feeling and the decision, hence I have not written full.

VJ

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Kap
Member since: May 04

Posts: 299
Location: Toronto
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Posted on: 25-08-04 10:20:14

Thanks VJ, Good reply.

Some desi people behave like they are like Gora and all other Indian are garbage.

“Jesne india ma car aur luxurious things sapane me bhi sochi nahi hey aur uskho yaha car mil jaaye to kyaa Canada hey”

Socho yeha office job 8 hrs karne ke baad bhi TIME nahi milta hey kishiko (kyu ki ½ work ausko house servernt ka karana padata hey) aur India me 12 hrs work kar ne ke baad bhi ause ke paas TIME he TIME hey

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the-entrepreneur
Member since: Jul 04

Posts: 190
Location: Mississauga
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Posted on: 25-08-04 23:49:25

Hey boss,
Like this thread is so long I lost track of who started it but I do balieve it's you VJ with Clint Eastwood's photo. Are boss if ya think you are Clint Eastwood, then why are you doing so much puchtach. Just come agunnin' here with yer six shooters and ask questions later. Clint did that only yaar.
Boss, the Canadian govt says bring $10,000 with you plus the $1,500(what you paid for visa and landing fee etc etc wo hasam ho gaya 2 years or so ago.Only new money counting hona) for ticket. That is $11,500. It guarantees you will make double that amount if u do not work hard the first year. Matlab, investment is to be doubling- what other better deal you want, yaar.If you are working bit more hard you are tripling money. Aur kya chaiye? Job in your field? Are, don't make me laugh yaar.Mebbe and mebbe not.
Apun to boss aaya. I brought $14,000 ($2000 per dependent). And sir aaram ka kaam kiya aur making four times i am bringing. What more can i ask. Yaar. That is why I call myself entrepreneur.
Sabse bada rupaiya. I left a job with Birla earning in the 6 figures per month living with naukar chakar chukar in India, going on cruises to bangkok and Singapore and mediterranean. Still i came here to slog. No naukar, boss.A beat up car. A rented home. etc etc.
So it is all in the eye of the beholder, pal. I left a life of luxury in India to slum it out here and i ain't complainin'.It opens up a whole new horizon.
I ain't sittin' pretty like I was in india but i can see it in a few years. But then I am an entrepreneur, not a salaried worker though i did work on salary first year or so. My wife also is a professional and is working here like in India.
But it ain't no bed o' roses. You gotta slog and if ya ain't used to the snow, holy mama! I don't miss Mumbai at all, but my wife has gone to India 3 times in the last two years. Do ya think you can come to Canada 3 times in two years workin' in India? Or take 3 month long trips to Europe?
Will ya git the chance to go to Atlantic city to see Trump's Taj Mahal? Have you being an Indian seen apla Taj Mahal?Wonder of the world? Here you can see Niagara Falls. Go to New York City. Check out Times Square. All that u read about in the papers. here you can actually git the thrill, pal.Get the thrill of visiting strip clubs etc. Walk thru the Path(world's largest underground shoppin' centre) and bump into Bruce Springsteen, Madonna, Mira Nair, Deepak Chopra.Go get Bill Clinton's autograph. If ya like even Hritik Roshan and Ash baby come here to perform for less money than in Mumbai. I remember paying Rs 5,000 to see Salman Khan and Ash perform in Mumbai and here the front row seats were only $125 or less than Rs 4,000. Boss Rishi Rich comes to perform here. Action hai idhar for the normal joe.
But don't forget my main line-if you want a job in your own field, it will be tough. You'll have to requalify, recertify and even then it's tough, though not impossible. We have here as president of the CMA (Canadian Medical association) an Indian fellow named Sunil Patel.Plus we have as a one time premier of British Columbia and now in charge of the country's most coveted and toughest position that of revamping the health care system a guy who when he left india couldn't speak English Mr Ujjal Dosanjh. Hats off to these guys and many others who have made it to the top. Pretty soon you will hear of those who will go over the top!
Mr Clint Eastwood- come hither, Canada beckons you to come clean it up with yer six guns.
Bambai ka babu

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VJ
Member since: Mar 04

Posts: 441
Location: Mississauga-Canada
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Posted on: 26-08-04 00:34:11

Dear the-entrepreneur,

Ha ha, this was truely refreshing and interesting. Subeh Subeh maja aa gaya. Sir, hamara hi post hai. And now thanks to Rashmibhai & BL and all other senior members, I saw my post in the article section.

Apki sab baat barabar hai...but life main thoda dhiraj mangta hai (patience)....I believe in taking risks but CALCULATIVE ONES.. I do a lot of planning (Financial planning ke field main hun na). I always tell my Sales managers & life advisors (I have 6 Sales Managers and 150 Life advisors working under me)..that please think twice before giving life insurance solutions to any customer. Its not sales, it is social service. With your recommendation, someone's daughter would get married or someone's son would get higher studies, Ya kisi widow ka ghar chalega etc..

So jab meri khud ki baat ayegi to "AAG MAIN AISE HI KUD JAUNGA?"...I am going slow, that does not mean I have not kept the option open. Rather my post says that, I have gone for no. 4 option, i.e. I would have PR in my hand. My present is good for sure and hence I am not coming right now.

But itna pakka hai...kyunki hum bhi sapna leke ghumte hai ki naukri nahi karenge, pahele sab sikh lenge aur baad main 35/37 age ke baad apki tarah hi entrepreneur ho jayenge. Duniya bhi dekhni hai aur MUSIC KE FIELD MAIN BHI KUCHH KARNA HAI . PAR SAAB LIFE MAIN SABKO SABKUCHH NAHI MILTA...DHIRAJ RAKHNI PADTI HAI. There are other by default factors, which are more important. JINONE JANMA DIYA HAI..AUR DHARTI PE UTARA HAI..."WOH PARENTS KE PRATI BHI HAMARA KUCHH DAYITVA BANTA HAI"...Unhe bhi pahele full proofe system main protect karle, fir sab hoga.

Bahut Maja aya apka post padhke...very inspiring..I would keep myself online with all of you sitting in india, so that I can be a live example of decision making. Let's see CHHE MAHINE KE BAAD SIRF PR LENE KE LIYE ANA HOGA YA SETTLE HONE KE LIYE....AAJ NAHI BATA SAKTE...AAJ INDIA KA HAI.....SHAYAD KAL CANADA KA HO...

Best of luck...

Regards,

VJ

rajand
Member since: Jun 04

Posts: 601
Location: Baroda, India.
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Posted on: 26-08-04 00:52:15

Kya kavi ya dialogue writer banne ka socha hai kabhi aapne, VJ saab?

If your insurance thing drops (khuda na kare), you already have an alternate career in hand.

So don't worry, Canada or India, you can succeed anywhere.

Jo aadmi India mein chala, woh kahi bhi chal sakta hai.

Mera Bharat Mahaan.

Sachmuch, India ke bahaar rehke, India zyaada yaad aata hai.

Jai Hind.

Thanks & rgds.

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VJ
Member since: Mar 04

Posts: 441
Location: Mississauga-Canada
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Posted on: 26-08-04 08:53:41

Dear Rajan Saheb,

Kavi ya dialogue writter nahi..par dilli tamanna hai ki kabhi mauka mila to chhota sa ek group banana hai...MUSIC main. Hum naturally apna GALA SAAF KARENGE. I wish to be a singer not to be famous or successfull, but just satisfy my own soul. I always make myself happy first when I sing and thats the reason I try to sing from my heart. AWAZ KISIKO ACHHI LAGE YA NAHI...BAS APNE DIL TO CHHU LE.

Apko Guitar de denge...so...Calgary set ho raha hai?

Sach kaha apne jo india main chala woh kahin bhi chal sakta hai....VANDE MATARAM...

Rgds,

VJ

the-entrepreneur
Member since: Jul 04

Posts: 190
Location: Mississauga
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Posted on: 26-08-04 11:47:19

Correction please-Jo india mein chal sakta hai woh foreign mein dor (run) sakta hai, boss.

Some say this and some say that
but us desis are where it's at!

Bambai ka babu

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the-entrepreneur
Member since: Jul 04

Posts: 190
Location: Mississauga
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Posted on: 26-08-04 12:04:40

For Kap-
Mebbe somewhere in India people work 12 hours a day and still say fursateech hai. Ask the lakhs of commuters who go in stinky boogies from the suburbs to churchgate everyday in Mumbai and some who are here now and thank God the buses and trains here at least have proper seating places. They don't have to hang out of the train when they commute. Ask those who commute between Pune and Mumbai daily. Phir boss aur khali phir apun ko bolna ke people work 12 hrs and still have time on their hands. Aap lagre hain Mumbai mein yeh daily commute nahin kiyela hai, bai.
Anyway to each their own idea. India is full of different types of people who have numerous ways of looking at things.

Bambai ka babu.

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