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I am not coming to Canada, No no - Coming Now!
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Dear All,

The most awaited day, for which I waited for 3 years came in my life and I WAS NOT HAPPY. I got the waiver on 18th June. Let me list out the reasons,

1 Canadiandesi.com, after reading so many posts I came to know about the reality prevailing at this time.

2 My family, I do not want my family to be broken. My parents are above 70 now and I am the only son.

3 My present financial & professional status in India. I and my wife both work in the booming finance sector in India and the joint income is touching almost 8 lakhs P.A. Net take home comes to almost 55 K.

Let me tell you, I do wish to see the world, earn more money and face new challenges, BUT NOT AT THE COST OF MY PRESENT. I live in PRESENT and I feel, that is stronger in my case then any other ambitions.

I gave myself 5 options, and after analyzing each and every minute thing attached, I finally selected the 4th option. And that means I am not coming to Canada for settlement.

Here are the 5 options

1 We both Go there, wind up everything here, do part time jobs, study further and start struggling to settle. And most importantly pray to god, that within these 2/3 years, nothing should happen to my family members (major health issues), otherwise, we would have to come back and would ultimately result in to major financial and TIME LOSS.

2 My wife continues here, I reach Canada, do the same thing without her and try calling her after I settle. And then family members can start coming on visitor visas till we reach to a stage of sponsoring them).

3 Completely forget the project and firmly accept to stay in India and grow further. I would even save some 2 lakhs, which is required to be paid before leaving (Rs. 67300 (RCMP) + 65500 (AGENT fees) + 60000 (AIR TICKEST). These two lakhs can once again enable us to re-gain the Indian luxuries like car/ac etc..(I SOLD MY CAR ETC..To cope up with the project's fund requirement).

4 Fourth, which I thought to be more intense one right now, i.e. I go there for 15/20 days alone, take my PR and reach back India. I had long discussions with my boss and leaves up to 20/30 days should not be a problem. With this we would loose 162800 (except my wife's air ticket everything is same as above), but we will take that as investment for future. Because with PR holding, in future I am keeping the option open, or our kids can have their future option open. At least the doors would not be closed for us for ever. After reaching back, we would re-engage ourselves with our Indian work routine and start saving for future. If I do not get what I should be after 2/3 years in my growth path here, at least I can re-open the option of Canada.

5 "We both go together, get the PR, I come back and resume in my duties. My wife stays back with her cousin and start looking for a job (I am yet to check the technicality involved, as whether Principal applicant can come back without SPOUSE). Because at least one positive factor in majority, I have found that females do get jobs fast. If she can sustain for a period of 6 months, I can then join her with more savings. This is a reverse scene then point - 2, but the advantage is that the bigger part of current income is continued. Only my wife's salary loss would take place ,which can be easily replaced by her any part time call centre or banking job in Canada.

Finally I selected the no. 4 option and that too, we both would go in APRIL - 2005 for 20 days and come back with PR. Hence we would have our 5 years clock beginning from 2005. I could have gone alone right now, but when we have an opportunity then why we should not go together for 20 days on a vacation and come back.

I thought of sharing this, as I know there are so many like me in the queue. I seek your valued inputs now, whether you agree/endorse to my decision or not.

Regards,

VJ

And now I changed my decision:

I know, this is going to catch a huge FIRE. But yes, today at this moment I have no doubt whatsoever, that "I AM COMING TO CANADA". I know lot of people (more then 6000 views to my earlier post of NOT COMING TO CANADA), would react in different ways. Some will say, Kya ho gaya, pahele na bolta tha, why he is coming, or some will say, aa gaya na line pe?

But, that’s the way it is. So many things I wrote in my replies about justifications at each step of my decision. But since few days, it’s been a battle of lot of thoughts. Lot of reality based factors. Lot of professional factors. However the reason remains the same as I once again repeat, I always go on three factors "STHAL (PLACE), "SANJOG (CIRCUIMSTANCE) and SAMAY (TIME).

Why I am coming (On personal factors)

I still remember a scene of a Hindi movie called "Dilwale Dulhaniya le jayenge", it was ANUPAM KHER, the father talking to SHAHRUKH KHAN, the son. Shahrukh khan requests Anupam that he wants to go to EUROPE for vacation and first he says no. But listening that the SON decides not to go, he immediately says nahi "TUJE EUROPE JARUR JANA HAI, APNE LIYE NAHI TO MERE LIYE, TUJE MERI JAWANI JINI HAI".

The point is sometimes, one generation has to sacrifice for many more to come. It happens actually, especially in our Indian culture. My father was a simple, small-time Govt. servant. Daily in the morning he used to paddle his HERO CHAMP (I remember the moped name) and slowly at the speed of 30 KPH, he would reach his office and in the evening, I used to wait for him and see him coming back in the same tilted way of sitting on the moped. He worked for 37 long years at the same place. He did manage to bring us up. I had a 100 % physically handicapped sister, who recently died. I have other 2 sisters, who got married within the last 3 years. He got retired in 92 and I had to take over, and that too without completing my Graduation. I could do only a small DIPLOMA. SO today I am once again like my father making two ends meet.

So when I used to see that 3rd or 4th page of my passport since last few days with a WHITE STMAP on it, written as "CANADA VISA", I used to do a lot of SELF TALK. What should I do for my next generation to come? I think I am fighting for myself right now, not for my future generations to come. We owe a lot to the coming world. What I feel is every person, who is the bread winner of his family must have a progressive thinking. Progressive is like X+1 (with a vision of next 2 generations). THE BOTTOMLINE IS I WANT TO CREATE A VERY STRONG UNBREAKABLE PLATFORM FOR MY FAMILY MEMBERS (MY KIDS, MY SISTER’S KIDS AND OTHERS) BY EARNING MORE IN A PLACE LIKE CANADA.

Why I am coming (On professional factors)

Recently I got promoted and I came to kutch. I am always attached to a place called BHUJ, which is my native. Somehow after the earthquake and after my survival from the earthquake (as me and my wife do not want to remember the date 26th Jan, I am not writing much about the experience), I took a decision of coming to KUTCH. Now the place for the base station is GANDHIDHAM. And let me tell you its one of the most horrible places I have ever experienced in my life, DUST, POILLUTION, TRANSPORT, WATER, ELECTRICTY PROBLEM, LANGUAGE, MENTALITY OF PEOPLE what not…I generally fit my self in any condition. But this town makes me crazy. Can you believe every night when you finally sleep after a hectic work schedule of 14 hours, Electricity goes off for 3,4,5 hours. My wife and I literally do not sleep. I work in a private insurance company as a branch manager with income more then 6 lakhs P.A and my wife is an ASST MANAGER with a bank earning more then 2.5 lakhs P.A. Can you believe with this kind of income, we can live a king-size life. BUT THIS PLACE CALLED GANDHIDHAM IS NOTHING FOR US. You can’t even breathe well. I can't leave being a senior before 2 years.

So that’s the story so far, I know I may have lot of reactions from you all, but my decision is final now “I AM COMING, NOT FOR THE PRESENT BUT FOR THE FUTURE”

I would surely contribute further on this. I wanted to convey my feeling and the decision, hence I have not written full.

VJ

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Interceptor
Member since: Jun 04

Posts: 172
Location: Missisauga
Post ID: #PID

Posted on: 27-07-04 10:42:02

Since you have worked so hard to get Canadian PR status, It is worth coming here and take PR card and all status/rights and then go back and enjoy your life for 3 more years.

If u feel like settling down here in canada after that ..do come back.

ADVANTAGES of coming here once:-

1) You will retain your PR status for 3 years.
2) You will not feel regrett about spending so much money and not visiting Canada
3) You can find/search jobs from India it self and if you find suitable you can land here without any hassels.
4) You can come here for any major treatment as far as your health card is valid.
5) You will have entry stamp on your Indian passport from Canada and it may be easy for you to get visa for other foreign countries if required in future.

Hope these are advantages and you may like it . If i were you i would have definately come here and get the PR status atleast.

wish you luck for your final decision as i know it is really confusing when you have opportunities in you home country as well.

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boncan
Member since: Jun 04

Posts: 3
Location: Brampton, Ontario, Canada
Post ID: #PID

Posted on: 28-07-04 22:10:13

Dear VJ
I could not resist myself to answer to this post so here it goes…..

You wrote:
The most awaited day, for which I waited for 3 years, came in my life and I WAS NOT HAPPY. I got the waiver on 18th June. Let me list out the reasons,

1 Canadiandesi.com, after reading so many posts I came to know about the reality prevailing at this time.

Answer = I will like to point out to one of your post where you wrote on 26-05-04 06:49:31:
“Today, after reading hundreds of posts, I have reached to a clear BOTTOMLINE about my move.”WAIT FOR ME I AM COMING\"...I have decided to be in CANADA. If I give you a rough ratio of positives to negatives, I read almost 90 % negative and hardly 10 % positive posts about the Canada move. But my belief of always taking the help of positive attitude has enabled me today to say that I would not mind to be in those 10 % guys , who has a better feel of Canada.”

So whatever happened to your positive attitude…..?

2 My family, I do not want my family to be broken. My parents are above 70 now and I am the only son.

Answer: Mr. VJ did you not think about this when you first applied for Canada?

3 My present financial & professional status in India. I and my wife both work in the booming finance sector in India and the joint income is touting almost 8 lakhs P.A. Net take home comes to almost 55 K.

Answer: What Rs. 55000 in a booming finance sector and you call it a good pay maybe you should try to get some salary figures from your comrades working in other cities within India?

I gave myself 5 options, and after analysing each and every minute thing attached, I finally selected the 4th option. And that means I am not coming to canada for settlement.

Here are the 5 options

1 We both Go there, wind up everything here, do part time jobs, study further and start struggling to settle. And most importantly pray to god, that within these 2/3 years, nothing should happen to my family members (major health issues), otherwise, we would have to come back and would ultimatley result in to major financial and TIME LOSS.

2 My wife continues here, I reach canada, do the same thing without her and try calling her after I settle. And then family members can start coming on visitor visas till we reach to a stage of sponsoring them).

3 Completely forget the project and firmly accept to stay in india and grow further. I would even save some 2 lakhs, which is required to be paid before leaving (Rs. 67300 (RCMP) + 65500 (AGENT fees) + 60000 (AIR TICKEST). These two lakhs can once aqgain enable us to re-gain the indian luxuries like car/ac etc..(I SOLD MY CAR ETC..to cope up with the project's fund requirement).

Answer: So you sold your car so where is your commitment to this project as you like to call it?

4 Fourth, which I thought to be more intensed one right now, i.e. I go there for 15/20 days alone, take my PR and reach back india. I had long discussions with my boss and leaves upto 20/30 days should not be a problem. With this we would loose 162800 (except my wife's air ticket everything is same as above), but we will take that as investment for future. Because with PR holding, in future I am keeping the option open, or our kids can have their future option open. At least the doors would not be closed for us for ever. After reaching back, we would re-engage ourselves with our indian work routine and start saving for future. If I do not get what I should be after 2/3 years in my growth path here, at least I can re-open the option of Canada.

Answer: Dear Mr. VJ, Canada is a great and beautiful country and needs undecided people like you to keep the economy running in great shape. Please do come and visit Canada and help the tourism industry in this country and then return back to India. I read in one of the replies that you should include Caribbean Islands in your itinerary, rather I would suggest that you visit one of the Ontario destinations more information can be found at this web site http://www.ontariotravel.net/ = there is more to discover in Ontario.

5 \"We both go together, get the PR, I come back and resume in my duties. My wife stays back with her cousin and start looking for a job (I am yet to check the technicality involved, as whether Principal aplicant can come back without SPOUSE). Because at least one positive factor in majority, I have found that females do get jobs fast. If she can sustain for a period of 6 months, I can then join her with more savings. This is a reverse scene then point - 2, but the advatange is that the bigger part of current income is continued. Only my wife's salary loss would take place ,which can be easily replaced by her any part time call centre or banking job in canada.

Regards Mr. VJ these are my views and please don’t take it personally.
Boncan

VJ
Member since: Mar 04

Posts: 441
Location: Mississauga-Canada
Post ID: #PID

Posted on: 29-07-04 04:36:47

Dear All,

Thanks first of all for your inputs. Unfortunately I am not in a position to reply in details. I am on tour, right now sitting in AHMEDABAD and would be heading towards MUMBAI. Shall put further thoughts soon..

FOR RASHMIBHAI (GARVO GUJARATI)... I am honoured, you are already filtering the best for this post. Its a pleasure for me as you have considered my post to be put on "ARTICLE SECTION".. Please go ahead.

Rgds,

VJ

deepcb
Member since: Mar 04

Posts: 142
Location: Dubai
Post ID: #PID

Posted on: 29-07-04 04:44:35

Hi VJ,

I agree with whatever you had written.

There is no guarantee for success or failure. You have to try it and see whether things would workout for you.

There are cases where people find themeselves 90 % fit for Canada - job/education/lifestyle adaptability wise and still fail.

There are people who just got visa by chance..not very qualified, polished or western in nature...but have succeeded coming to Canada.

Hence come and try...if suceeded well and good or you always have India to go back to.

Deep

U win some... loose some..everything is not justified in this world.

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BlueLobster
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Posts: 3409
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Posted on: 29-07-04 06:23:58

Hi VJ,

If you have analyzed all the pluses and minuses of immigrating here and have reached a decision not to migrate, then that's probably the right decision for you. I can understand that you are now better able to assess your position than when you originally applied, thanks to all those personal experiences posted on CanadianDesi.

Reason number 2's a no-brainer, if you're worried about your parents then there's no point coming here even if you got an awesome job the day you landed, right? Parents immigration takes longer and longer these days, so even if you apply after a year of landing, judging from the timelines now, it would take almost 4/5 years more. And even if they are able to get visitor visas, they would only be able to spend 6 mos. here at a stretch, plus tickets and health insurance could get pretty expensive. I do agree with someone who's posted before me that this reason is something you may have wanted to think before applying.

For the other reasons though, let me just point out though that CanadianDesi isn't the full story. There are lots and lots of success stories in Canada too, its just the those who have had negative experiences will obviously be more vocal. Even on Canadiandesi, there are a lot of success stories, but those of toil and struggle have longer staying power in everybody's mind. And despite all those stories of the "harsh realities" in Canada, I can tell you one thing from personal experience. I've never met a single desi who's returned to India for good, I know a couple who returned after getting frustrated, but came back in about a year or so and did pretty good.

Why? Because life in India isn't easy as well. And despite all the good things that are happening, I'm sure you're aware of the negative aspects of life there too.

But you seem comfortable there and are unwilling to take a risk at this juncture in life. That's quite understandable. I would advise you not to choose option 4 in that case. My advice would be to choose 3, in which case you forget about Canada. Otherwise, you will always in self-doubt whether you should make the move or not. But either way, make sure you are able to do the following

1) You read a few more success stories on CanadianDesi that make you think maybe you should've come here. You shrug it off.
2) Some of your Neighbors/acquaintances/Colleagues etc who actually make the move here meet with success and come to visit you on their trip to India. For you its no big deal, you never think twice about your decision.
3) Every time you have to deal with a frustrating situation in India, images of Canada don't start flashing.

In other words, make a decision strong enough such that adversities don't shake it or fill you with regret.

I wish you all the luck in whatever you decide!

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On a somewhat related note, I'm reminded of a great song by a band called Incubus, a rock/alternative band that most desis won't relate to. However this song is exceptional both in lyrics and composition , I try to listen to it whenever I'm down. Its called "Drive" and the lyrics go as below...

Drive
By Incubus

Sometimes, I feel the fear of uncertainty stinging clear
And I can't help but ask myself how much
I'll let the fear take the wheel and steer.
It's driven me before, and it seems to have a vague,
haunting mass appeal.
But lately I'm beginning to find that I
should be the one behind the wheel.

Whatever tomorrow brings,
I'll be there with open arms and open eyes, Yeah
Whatever tomorrow brings, I'll be there..I'll be there.

So, if I decide to waiver my chance to be one of the hive
Will I choose water over wine and hold my own and drive?

It's driven me before and it seems to be the way
that everyone else gets around.
But lately I'm beginning to find that when
I drive myself my light is found.

Whatever tomorrow brings,
I'll be there with open arms and open eyes, Yeahhh
Whatever tomorrow brings, I'll be there...I'll be there.

Would you choose water over wine....hold the wheel and drive?

Whatever tomorrow brings,
I'll be there with open arms and open eyes, Yeah
Whatever tomorrow brings, I'll be there..I'll be there.

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dp_jain
Member since: Jan 04

Posts: 418
Location: Brampton
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Posted on: 29-07-04 06:56:09

Hi VJ,

I would say you have taken a wise decision in your present situations. Do visit Canada, assess your chances and take a final decision. Good luck.

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mercury6
Member since: Jan 04

Posts: 2025
Location: State of Denial
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Posted on: 29-07-04 09:10:44

Them main point is the Guy is comfortable and doing well inIndia, his own place, his own friends, etc etc.....

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