I am not coming to Canada, No no - Coming Now!
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Dear All,

The most awaited day, for which I waited for 3 years came in my life and I WAS NOT HAPPY. I got the waiver on 18th June. Let me list out the reasons,

1 Canadiandesi.com, after reading so many posts I came to know about the reality prevailing at this time.

2 My family, I do not want my family to be broken. My parents are above 70 now and I am the only son.

3 My present financial & professional status in India. I and my wife both work in the booming finance sector in India and the joint income is touching almost 8 lakhs P.A. Net take home comes to almost 55 K.

Let me tell you, I do wish to see the world, earn more money and face new challenges, BUT NOT AT THE COST OF MY PRESENT. I live in PRESENT and I feel, that is stronger in my case then any other ambitions.

I gave myself 5 options, and after analyzing each and every minute thing attached, I finally selected the 4th option. And that means I am not coming to Canada for settlement.

Here are the 5 options

1 We both Go there, wind up everything here, do part time jobs, study further and start struggling to settle. And most importantly pray to god, that within these 2/3 years, nothing should happen to my family members (major health issues), otherwise, we would have to come back and would ultimately result in to major financial and TIME LOSS.

2 My wife continues here, I reach Canada, do the same thing without her and try calling her after I settle. And then family members can start coming on visitor visas till we reach to a stage of sponsoring them).

3 Completely forget the project and firmly accept to stay in India and grow further. I would even save some 2 lakhs, which is required to be paid before leaving (Rs. 67300 (RCMP) + 65500 (AGENT fees) + 60000 (AIR TICKEST). These two lakhs can once again enable us to re-gain the Indian luxuries like car/ac etc..(I SOLD MY CAR ETC..To cope up with the project's fund requirement).

4 Fourth, which I thought to be more intense one right now, i.e. I go there for 15/20 days alone, take my PR and reach back India. I had long discussions with my boss and leaves up to 20/30 days should not be a problem. With this we would loose 162800 (except my wife's air ticket everything is same as above), but we will take that as investment for future. Because with PR holding, in future I am keeping the option open, or our kids can have their future option open. At least the doors would not be closed for us for ever. After reaching back, we would re-engage ourselves with our Indian work routine and start saving for future. If I do not get what I should be after 2/3 years in my growth path here, at least I can re-open the option of Canada.

5 "We both go together, get the PR, I come back and resume in my duties. My wife stays back with her cousin and start looking for a job (I am yet to check the technicality involved, as whether Principal applicant can come back without SPOUSE). Because at least one positive factor in majority, I have found that females do get jobs fast. If she can sustain for a period of 6 months, I can then join her with more savings. This is a reverse scene then point - 2, but the advantage is that the bigger part of current income is continued. Only my wife's salary loss would take place ,which can be easily replaced by her any part time call centre or banking job in Canada.


Finally I selected the no. 4 option and that too, we both would go in APRIL - 2005 for 20 days and come back with PR. Hence we would have our 5 years clock beginning from 2005. I could have gone alone right now, but when we have an opportunity then why we should not go together for 20 days on a vacation and come back.

I thought of sharing this, as I know there are so many like me in the queue. I seek your valued inputs now, whether you agree/endorse to my decision or not.

Regards,

VJ


And now I changed my decision:


I know, this is going to catch a huge FIRE. But yes, today at this moment I have no doubt whatsoever, that "I AM COMING TO CANADA". I know lot of people (more then 6000 views to my earlier post of NOT COMING TO CANADA), would react in different ways. Some will say, Kya ho gaya, pahele na bolta tha, why he is coming, or some will say, aa gaya na line pe?

But, that’s the way it is. So many things I wrote in my replies about justifications at each step of my decision. But since few days, it’s been a battle of lot of thoughts. Lot of reality based factors. Lot of professional factors. However the reason remains the same as I once again repeat, I always go on three factors "STHAL (PLACE), "SANJOG (CIRCUIMSTANCE) and SAMAY (TIME).

Why I am coming (On personal factors)

I still remember a scene of a Hindi movie called "Dilwale Dulhaniya le jayenge", it was ANUPAM KHER, the father talking to SHAHRUKH KHAN, the son. Shahrukh khan requests Anupam that he wants to go to EUROPE for vacation and first he says no. But listening that the SON decides not to go, he immediately says nahi "TUJE EUROPE JARUR JANA HAI, APNE LIYE NAHI TO MERE LIYE, TUJE MERI JAWANI JINI HAI".

The point is sometimes, one generation has to sacrifice for many more to come. It happens actually, especially in our Indian culture. My father was a simple, small-time Govt. servant. Daily in the morning he used to paddle his HERO CHAMP (I remember the moped name) and slowly at the speed of 30 KPH, he would reach his office and in the evening, I used to wait for him and see him coming back in the same tilted way of sitting on the moped. He worked for 37 long years at the same place. He did manage to bring us up. I had a 100 % physically handicapped sister, who recently died. I have other 2 sisters, who got married within the last 3 years. He got retired in 92 and I had to take over, and that too without completing my Graduation. I could do only a small DIPLOMA. SO today I am once again like my father making two ends meet.

So when I used to see that 3rd or 4th page of my passport since last few days with a WHITE STMAP on it, written as "CANADA VISA", I used to do a lot of SELF TALK. What should I do for my next generation to come? I think I am fighting for myself right now, not for my future generations to come. We owe a lot to the coming world. What I feel is every person, who is the bread winner of his family must have a progressive thinking. Progressive is like X+1 (with a vision of next 2 generations). THE BOTTOMLINE IS I WANT TO CREATE A VERY STRONG UNBREAKABLE PLATFORM FOR MY FAMILY MEMBERS (MY KIDS, MY SISTER’S KIDS AND OTHERS) BY EARNING MORE IN A PLACE LIKE CANADA.

Why I am coming (On professional factors)

Recently I got promoted and I came to kutch. I am always attached to a place called BHUJ, which is my native. Somehow after the earthquake and after my survival from the earthquake (as me and my wife do not want to remember the date 26th Jan, I am not writing much about the experience), I took a decision of coming to KUTCH. Now the place for the base station is GANDHIDHAM. And let me tell you its one of the most horrible places I have ever experienced in my life, DUST, POILLUTION, TRANSPORT, WATER, ELECTRICTY PROBLEM, LANGUAGE, MENTALITY OF PEOPLE what not…I generally fit my self in any condition. But this town makes me crazy. Can you believe every night when you finally sleep after a hectic work schedule of 14 hours, Electricity goes off for 3,4,5 hours. My wife and I literally do not sleep. I work in a private insurance company as a branch manager with income more then 6 lakhs P.A and my wife is an ASST MANAGER with a bank earning more then 2.5 lakhs P.A. Can you believe with this kind of income, we can live a king-size life. BUT THIS PLACE CALLED GANDHIDHAM IS NOTHING FOR US. You can’t even breathe well. I can't leave being a senior before 2 years.

So that’s the story so far, I know I may have lot of reactions from you all, but my decision is final now “I AM COMING, NOT FOR THE PRESENT BUT FOR THE FUTURE”

I would surely contribute further on this. I wanted to convey my feeling and the decision, hence I have not written full.


VJ



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jayaram   
Member since: Jun 04
Posts: 298
Location: Calgary

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 30-07-04 02:59:32

Hi VJ,

To many options for you and got confused. You have jugde what you want in life e.g for me its is the following
-better envoirment
-good working and living conditions
-More relaxed life and more time for you family. Enjoying your weekends
-Better life for your children like education, job, ( less struggle and not a rat race)
-you can persue you whatever you want and be happy

All above thing brings for me more peace and happiness.
Forget about money and money should not be the criteria. Money can be made anywhere.

If you are happy where you are with big salary, servants and bighouse, then decide to stay there. I have seen many happy face in India and they are contented with what they have and dont wish anything else( even among the poor people)

Have only two option- migrate or not to migrate. if you want to some buy time then you have made the choice

Love
Jay



NorthAlberta   
Member since: Jul 04
Posts: 195
Location: Beef and Bacon Country

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 30-07-04 09:14:07

Stay back in India and live a happy contended life. you would not have missed much.


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Manjeet   
Member since: Aug 03
Posts: 283
Location: Toronto ON Canada

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 31-07-04 12:19:38

I resisted to answer this thread touching the core subject but i guess its not good for my health :H anyways jokes apart..

I feel that job situation cannot be permanent in any country. Few years back job market in North America was very good and people rushed to North America. Then as we all are aware after dot com burst things started to change. Now definately things are not as they were before but it doesn't mean that they will remain like that forever.

Most of us had applied for canadian immigration for better future but thing may turn for good or bad and that's a risk. And I believe its also a risk not coming i guess. As there is always ups and downs. Things never stay consistant for long. But one should remember that opportunities and age dont come back. Such risks are worth taking in yonger age. I guess not trying is something which keeps anybody inexperienced.

Ofcourse this is my opinion others have different view.


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izzatsethi   
Member since: Jul 03
Posts: 32
Location: Winnipeg

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 31-07-04 14:29:46

VJ Based on similar logic as put by you I have taken my PR and am back in India, now. However after visiting Canada my decision has changed to shifting there. Firstly the systems and Goverment are amazingly effecient. Secondly, The number of success stories being lived out in Canada were amazing and inspiring. My Uncle in Toronto(he is 80+) says his wife's age has increased atleast 10 years after shifting to Canada. By the way he was sponsored by his son when he was seventy+. Canada has immense oppurtunities, do explore while you are there .


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sghosedelhi   
Member since: Nov 03
Posts: 62
Location: Brampton

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 02-08-04 10:31:44

Itis probably for the first time i have seen that we do have some sensible people living in India and also informing the CD portal abouthe sensible decisiions also.If you analyse there are only 3 categories of jobs in Canada.
1. Call centres- for people who are professionally qualified and speak moderate to good english.
2. Factory jobs- for people who are proffessionally qualified but do not speak good english and those who do not have a reasonable good qualification.
3.Farming jobs- Wheat fields of Alberta,wood (very low now) in BC and fruits farming near Niagra.

Besides that there are no jobs and when i say no jobs really no jobs .Believeme when i say that.Further besides seeing white skin no other benefits excep for an efficient system and may be 50% bettr than the systems in our big cities.And all that story of good schools and good life is all stories .You won't be able to save any thing and that has been proven in this portal itself and will always be like a non management employee conpared to officers and senior professionals in India. If any body is enticing any body withany excuse then it is very wrong as the immigratin is primarily meant for putting money in to candian econo,my and to boost the labour force.Do no plese do not fall in the trap of migration and if somebody is mad enough to commit suicide ,then one can suggest visit and getting the PR card made and go back.Thisis being done by most of the people from the middle east.

Please also see the news papers like voice ,Mississauga news and other local news papers and you will realise that how hollow is the claim of Candian Govt. requiring professionals .

And yes skilled labour is more than welcome.






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BlueLobster   
Member since: Oct 02
Posts: 3409
Location: Mississauga

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 02-08-04 11:51:14

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Orginally posted by sghosedelhi

If you analyse there are only 3 categories of jobs in Canada.
1. Call centres- for people who are professionally qualified and speak moderate to good english.
2. Factory jobs- for people who are proffessionally qualified but do not speak good english and those who do not have a reasonable good qualification.
3.Farming jobs- Wheat fields of Alberta,wood (very low now) in BC and fruits farming near Niagra.




There are at least 20 regular contributors on this website who are doing none of the above.

Out of 7 very close friends of mine, 2 are in high-level management positions, both directors in their respective companies. Both desis.

And I don't see how seeing white skin is a benefit.



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Manjeet   
Member since: Aug 03
Posts: 283
Location: Toronto ON Canada

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 02-08-04 18:01:47

Its is no lie that people face problems in canada and mojority of people do face lots of problem finding job in there own field, but its not because there some phychological reasons of white community behind it. Its just that they dont know about our system. The govt may be aware but not the common employer. If anyone has to succeed in canada they will need to speak there language from their prospective. Canadian employer wouldn't know and wouldn't care to know what is the value of Punjab University Degree but they will know the value of Canadian and American degrees. For IT they will recognize Microsoft, Cisco, IBM etc certificates.. Anyone who succeeds here in canada will agree with me.We require to adopt a method which will present your skills to the employer.

I dont think any employer would like to loose a opportunity to hire the right person( be it us or local). Its just matter of how you present your case.


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