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Posted on: 05-06-12 10:30:31
New inventions may not be a requirement, but they can greatly boost the economy if the innovations trigger industry and export. And a climate of innovation can be a driver to build the basics you mentioned, which at this point are humongous challenges.
I think the first thing India needs is a legal system/judiciary coupled with law enforcement that works for everyone and is fair. One system that is the same for everyone, as opposed to a myriad of systems that suit needs of the folks manipulating them. That then forms the foundation for everything else, because people start thinking and acting differently in a fair environment. Without this, all development goals can easily be stifled like they are now and progress will be arbitrary at best.
The quote in the original post said it best.
"When you know that in order to produce you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing, when you see that money is flowing to those who deal not in goods, but in favours, when you see that men get rich more easily by graft, rather than by work, and your laws no longer protect you against them but protect them against you, you know that your society is doomed". "
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I think the original issue was about india, where did Russia and China come from ?
This came in from BL's misplaced notion that no country can be a 'super power' if its internals are not working as per BL's expectation ....He went on to comment bs that it has never happened and will never happen ..... both of which is incorrect as USSR has been a super power for more than 50 years based on its military strength alone and China is an emerging one with both military & economic prowess ...
It has got more to do with military strength and economic growth than with internal justice as BL seems to think ..... 50 years of architecting the world's course is no mean feat and led to many wars being averted and a balance of power ............ As far as being a bully is concerned , ask those who are on the receiving end as to who is the world's biggest bully currently and why we need another super power to balance the situation ...
He should not have uttered the term 'super power; if he did not know its meaning .. better elaborate and improve his own vocabulary ..I helped him by providing the Wiki links ... If the growth of a country into a superpower were dependent on internals alone , USSR & China would have never neared the status and Canada would have always been a top contended ......
Again a country's economic growth is to a large extent independent of its internal working as the world is witnessing in case of China & India ... and again which BL refuses to see ...in his blindness .
Economic growth has a greater component of economic advantages a country has rather than anything else ... as long as India and China have the competitive & cost edge over others and there s free trade , BL cannot stop these economies from growing ... the best he can do is speculate which he is doing ...
India is not going anywhere ...for every one BL there are 100s of superior people in India who are more competent and do not wish to leave the country and contribute to its economic well being ...... when it comes to exports all the corruption & technical strengths meet for a common cause ... eg IT industry ... which further creates secondary industries and depicts the increase in salary , life style growth the country has witnessed ....
Problem with India is the difference b/w haves and have nots .. and as this gap increases there s a different India for those who have and a different one for those who do not have ... Though this may not be equitable it has little scope on the country's economic growth ....
BL needs to differentiate b/w economic and social growth and that they are not directly related ........ till then ... well he ll continue beating around the bush
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There is no need of new inventions at this time. If India can implement what is already invented by the world, it can become a great country.
Very correct -- inventions and R & D need huge investment with no guaranteed returns ........ Out of 50 products conceived , one becomes successful ....
That s exactly what China and India are doing -- diverting their expertise where they have the biggest advantage .....Let others do the invention , lets build upon it ...
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Fido.
Yes, very correct indeed. Why waste time with silly things like inventions and R&D? Who needs that? Out of 50 conceived, only 1 becomes successful. 'Nuff said!
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Originally posted by sant
I think the original issue was about india, where did Russia and China come from ?
This came in from BL's misplaced notion that no country can be a 'super power' if its internals are not working as per BL's expectation ....He went on to comment bs that it has never happened and will never happen ..... both of which is incorrect as USSR has been a super power for more than 50 years based on its military strength alone and China is an emerging one with both military & economic prowess ...
It has got more to do with military strength and economic growth than with internal justice as BL seems to think ..... 50 years of architecting the world's course is no mean feat and led to many wars being averted and a balance of power ............ As far as being a bully is concerned , ask those who are on the receiving end as to who is the world's biggest bully currently and why we need another super power to balance the situation ...
He should not have uttered the term 'super power; if he did not know its meaning .. better elaborate and improve his own vocabulary ..I helped him by providing the Wiki links ... If the growth of a country into a superpower were dependent on internals alone , USSR & China would have never neared the status and Canada would have always been a top contended ......
Again a country's economic growth is to a large extent independent of its internal working as the world is witnessing in case of China & India ... and again which BL refuses to see ...in his blindness .
Economic growth has a greater component of economic advantages a country has rather than anything else ... as long as India and China have the competitive & cost edge over others and there s free trade , BL cannot stop these economies from growing ... the best he can do is speculate which he is doing ...
India is not going anywhere ...for every one BL there are 100s of superior people in India who are more competent and do not wish to leave the country and contribute to its economic well being ...... when it comes to exports all the corruption & technical strengths meet for a common cause ... eg IT industry ... which further creates secondary industries and depicts the increase in salary , life style growth the country has witnessed ....
Problem with India is the difference b/w haves and have nots .. and as this gap increases there s a different India for those who have and a different one for those who do not have ... Though this may not be equitable it has little scope on the country's economic growth ....
BL needs to differentiate b/w economic and social growth and that they are not directly related ........ till then ... well he ll continue beating around the bush
Yes, makes perfect sense. Let's keep talking about a country that has collapsed as a result of its internal strife as a great example of a superpower having nothing to do with its internal functioning. You'd make the whole Kim Jong dynasty very proud.
So let's see what you DON'T need to make a country great
1. Liberty and blah blah
2. who needs silly stuff like inventions and R&D
3. Justice and Fairness? Useless
In fact, who cares about a great country. What matters is military might.
Everybody in Afghanistan agrees
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From super power , you have switched over to 'great country' .... I see some improvement there ... may be after 12 more pages , you will forget using 'super power' term .....
Military & economic might would easily make a country a super power which shall have a say in the chart of world actions ..... not an easy task to attain ....
Dude - had it not been for USSR , due to the support of your 'great great' US's support to Pakistan , who knows India might have been another Afghanistan ....... In the words of Nixon ' Indian are slimy people ' ..... You perhaps would not have been here but for the super power USSR which sided by India in all its conflicts ... as opposed to your ever great US ......
Who s being the bully in today's world - ask yourself --- bombed Iraq ... WMD never found , bombed Afghanistan - killled more people than the WTC , now conflicting with Iran and Korea ...... for its own purpose ..... You need a super power like USSR to balance the equation ......
China has what USSR lacked and what caused its downfall .... economic strength & is fast approaching a super power status .
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Originally posted by Fido
From super power , you have switched over to 'great country' .... I see some improvement there ... may be after 12 more pages , you will forget using 'super power' term .....
Hey, you're the one hung up on the superpower definition in wikipedia. I've said in several posts before - I don't care. But good to know you finally got that part at least.
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Military & economic might would easily make a country a super power which shall have a say in the chart of world actions ..... not an easy task to attain ....
Dude - had it not been for USSR , due to the support of your 'great great' US's support to Pakistan , who knows India might have been another Afghanistan ....... In the words of Nixon ' Indian are slimy people ' ..... You perhaps would not have been here but for the super power USSR which sided by India in all its conflicts ... as opposed to your ever great US ......
Wha...? India might have been another Afghanistan? Seriously man, you've shown your lack of any intelligent thought in other posts but this tops it all.
And since you have no sense of history, it might be good to know that USSR did not side with India arbitrarily because they "liked" India. A very intelligent (sarcasm) PM by the last name of Nehru refused to side with the US during the cold war, one of the most monumental mistakes ever. The US then had no choice but to side with Pakistan to maintain regional influence. The siding with soviet union held back India's progress until the 90s, because the economy was closed and socialist thinking from the Nehru dynasty prevailed. India released it potential for progress in the 90s when it opened up and aligned more with the United states. The above is a simplification specifically knowing your grasping power.
If not for Nehru's monumental mistakes, India would've been on a completely different trajectory. Like you, he sided with a failed state and India paid the price.
This same PM kept singing praises of China with hindi-chini bhai bhai. Then the Chinese came, stole his pants and his underwear and all this guy is now known for is a picture with a rose.
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Who s being the bully in today's world - ask yourself --- bombed Iraq ... WMD never found , bombed Afghanistan - killled more people than the WTC , now conflicting with Iran and Korea ...... for its own purpose ..... You need a super power like USSR to balance the equation ...…
Yes, fine balance it was for India when it sided with a state that ultimately collapsed. I'm sure that's why you emigrated to Canada, to escape the India that balanced background gave you.
Besides, I never said the US is perfect, read my previous posts on this again.
Lastly, your superpower China's atrocities far exceed that of the states. Give the self-immolating Tibetan monk your theory about superpower status. Or maybe the blind guy who finally managed to run away from this superpower. Where did he go? Surprise! The US.
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China has what USSR lacked and what caused its downfall .... economic strength & is fast approaching a super power status .
The question is about sustainability. The US has been a world-leader for the past couple of centuries. Let's see how long China can keep up with their communist system. If this does not change, they will be a footnote in history just like your beloved USSR.
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