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Posted on: 01-03-05 12:19:49
Good Morning Esteemed Members.
The piece I wrote has been censored by the Administrator.
I gladly accept his wisdom and will accept/follow his directions.
However, I can forward the piece to anyone who wishes to get in touch with me. (vpandit04@yahoo.ca)
All I was trying to explain in that peice was why the people get upset and use invectives ( even though I personally disagree with them for the abuse of the Greatest soul India has produced).
And thank you Jake for telling me that it was well written. That kind of honesty is welcome....!
Chris thank you for accepting to be an Indian. Being an Indian means being riddled with pain and disappointment.
I hope you will be able to withstand both.
I do appreciate your gesture a great deal and my deep regards to you for that gesture.
Yes, moderator, I do apologis for using multiple ids. It was just that I wish I had a name like Bhagat Singh to convey the deep sense of love that I feel for my country and the people. This was occasioned by an incident which happened recently. I know of an American girl who cried and cried and cried the whole day when the news of IBM selling its PC manufacturing unit was made public. She was upset because the economy of US and the future of the technical edge of US were at stake.
It made me think...why I dont have such feelings? Strange how some things can trigger of strange events.
With warm regards.
Yours truly
VP
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Yes, moderator, I do apologis for using multiple ids. It was just that I wish I had a name like Bhagat Singh to convey the deep sense of love that I feel for my country and the people. This was occasioned by an incident which happened recently. I know of an American girl who cried and cried and cried the whole day when the news of IBM selling its PC manufacturing unit was made public. She was upset because the economy of US and the future of the technical edge of US were at stake.
It made me think...why I dont have such feelings? Strange how some things can trigger of strange events.
With warm regards.
Yours truly
VP
I did mention that I thought I knew Bhagat Singh already. I guess flowery verse maketh a character not
. Yes your piece was well written. I was going to post another piece...which also hapenned to be very well written. It explained the decline of the glorious white race due to the onslaught of savages from third world countries. It provides statistics, like you did, and was obviously penned by a very well read person too. There was also a HUGE list of historical grieviances that was perpetuated against the white race. It included vilification of old leaders...except of course ...Hitler. Maybe have a look at some of their sites and their essays. You guys have a lot in common (for better or worse...yours to decide...as always
). I'm glad I did not have to post that though. I'm sure you can find the links. I dont think you're THAT busy anyway
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Hi Moderator
Or
Hi Jake
Good evening.
I have consistently tried to keep a delicate balance with in the parameters of the discourse and the way it should be conducted. But I think you dont agree with some of the points which are understood by me.
You have a job to do and I do uderstand that too.
But I also realise that you agree with what I had written though you would never wish to admit it.
It is easy to practice reverse discrimination in such cases but I would like to add that nowhere have I said that the right wing propagated ideology is the solution to the problem. Your allusion to that pains me no end.
The solution has to come from with in the parameters that exist.
If that means Congress has to jettison THE FIRST FAMILY and adopt some one like Sharad Pawar as the leader then so be it. But to create that kind of pressure we do need a groundswell of opinion forcing them to accept what should be right for the country.
That will come only when the people know how and why the FIRST FAMILY is cheating them and creating a cesspool which would result in such a mess that the quagmire will suck in many an innocent Indians ( the 400 million with out a voice-- the ones who have nowhere to go-- not like the ones of you and me Jake who can sit in beautiful confines of the world and talk of culture of silence!!)
With warm regards.
VP alias Bhagat Singh
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vpan
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But I also realise that you agree with what I had written though you would never wish to admit it.
now isnt that a bit vain...to assume that you know how I think?
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It is easy to practice reverse discrimination in such cases but I would like to add that nowhere have I said that the right wing propagated ideology is the solution to the problem. Your allusion to that pains me no end.
You are now amazing me...not by the clarity of your arguments but by your reference to things like 'reverse discrimination'. Heres a challenge to you. Read up on any of the white nationalists site's and find me one of them which do not contain those EXACT words ('reverse discrimination') as a main theme of their arguments. Infact you will find this in even mainstream right-wing forums of the US like 'Freerepublic.com'.
Please lay off being sanctimonious...you lost that high ground when you first posted slightly extremist rants as 'V pundit'...then went on to post a centrist post at 'Bhagat Singh'....then came back(saying you were 'very,very busy' to post before
..when you had already posted as Bhagat singh) and went on to post very extreme thoughts...villifying muslims(post censored by BL).As for 'pain' tylenol does a good job. Also while gulping it down please show me one country, community or even family which has not gone through injustice at sime time in their history or present. Everyone has their own justifications for feeling pain and no one country or peoples can claim a monopoly over it.
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If that means Congress has to jettison THE FIRST FAMILY and adopt some one like Sharad Pawar as the leader then so be it. But to create that kind of pressure we do need a groundswell of opinion forcing them to accept what should be right for the country.
This is the one para which really affected me. Not because of what you are saying but for the irony of it. I realised again how disconnected people really are with politics.
You see, I was born and bought up in Mumbai(maharashtra) and have had close links to the 'street'. I've seen small time goons who are now respected leaders in RPI, congress and BJP. I've also witnessed first hand how they came to that position. I cannot say more because I have family there(i'm even apprehensive about providing links and then telling you what I have seen in my interactions with those people). Anyway...all this to say that I'd choose Sonia ANYDAY over the alternative you provided.
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( the 400 million with out a voice-- the ones who have nowhere to go-- not like the ones of you and me Jake who can sit in beautiful confines of the world and talk of culture of silence!!)
Like I said in the other post. I do not think you are wrong in your extremist views. India probably needs people like you there so that the extremists on the other side are held in check. Caught between the two of you Indias citizens can probably learn to rise above..to find that middle ground...albeit in a few generations.
I am arguing with you because you are more needed in India than in Canada.
Because views like yours put us(who are a minority here) in danger...simply because you validate the thoughts an ideologies of the people who want us OUT OF HERE.
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Orginally posted by V PANDIT
Hi Moderator
Or
Hi Jake
Good evening.
I have consistently tried to keep a delicate balance with in the parameters of the discourse and the way it should be conducted. But I think you dont agree with some of the points which are understood by me.
You have a job to do and I do uderstand that too.
But I also realise that you agree with what I had written though you would never wish to admit it.
It is easy to practice reverse discrimination in such cases but I would like to add that nowhere have I said that the right wing propagated ideology is the solution to the problem. Your allusion to that pains me no end.
The solution has to come from with in the parameters that exist.
If that means Congress has to jettison THE FIRST FAMILY and adopt some one like Sharad Pawar as the leader then so be it. But to create that kind of pressure we do need a groundswell of opinion forcing them to accept what should be right for the country.
That will come only when the people know how and why the FIRST FAMILY is cheating them and creating a cesspool which would result in such a mess that the quagmire will suck in many an innocent Indians ( the 400 million with out a voice-- the ones who have nowhere to go-- not like the ones of you and me Jake who can sit in beautiful confines of the world and talk of culture of silence!!)
With warm regards.
VP alias Bhagat Singh
And what does Bhagat Singh want to achieve sitting here in Canada? If Bhagat Singh feels so strongly about this issue, why don't he go back to the battlefield (as you portray it) and do something?
And come down from your flights of fancy because I don't agree with your half truths. Besides, a divisive agenda wrapped in flowery verses (as Jake put it) is still a divisive agenda. And we don't want that on this site.
Hope I've made myself clear.
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Are you there?
Why I cannot go back to India?
Hi BL
Good morning.
Thank you for your advise BL. In fact I would love nothing more than going back to the place of my ancestors…… But I want your help BL ….please please please don’t turn me down.
I will talk of my genealogical lineage for a few minutes before I go on to the present.
BL.
At one time in history of Valley, only 11 Hindu families survived. These 11 families, then as a measure of last resort went to Guru Tegh Bahadur and sought his protection and guidance. The question they asked him…. Should we convert to Islam?
Guru Tegh Bahadur, my deep regards to him, then said to them, “Go tell the emperor that if our Guru embraces Islam, so would we.”
Gurudwara Sheesh Ganj, may He be revered for generations to come, in New Delhi is a testimony to the ultimate sacrifice made by the revered Guru to safeguard Hindus.
I am one of the descendents of those 11 families BL.
I fled from the home of my ancestors…….. well let it be BL you would not even understand it.
I have not been able to go back… howsoever hard I may wish to do so. Effectively that means that I don’t have a home in India BL.
Today there are two options open to me if I wish to go to the place of my ancestors.
Either I convert to Islam
or
seek the help of the Prime Minister of India and the COAS of Indian armed forces …..and even from them, I wish to ask the same question, SHOULD I CONVERT? Like my ancestors did from the Gurus.
And why don’t I convert?
I don’t know the answer to that BL?
My grand mother would often say, “ We have not converted when faced with greater crisis. So why now?”
But BL, now I think I am beginning to regret my decision.
I think I should covert if you wish me to go back to India?
Tell me BL……. do I convert? Is it OK BL that I convert? Will it be for the good of India?
With warm regards.
Vijay
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I fled from the home of my ancestors……..
wouldnt you much closer to home even in delhi or mumbai? Maybe even join politics there and thus fight for your home. Nah! You are hoping to do something about the issue by sitting in the convenience of Montreal, and instigating people on canadiandesi, arent you ?
BTW: is Bhagat Singh very, very,very busy now that vpandit is not?
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