Can someone explain to me why Dravid did not enforce the follow-on?
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Posted on: 12-08-07 21:35:28
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Lets take current situation. What was the target for england? 500 runs in about 100 odd overs. Do you think England can make it with 10 wickets in hand?
Lets assume your answer is YES:
Then I would assume England can do the same on Day 4 and first session of day 5. because pitch is better on day 4 compare to day 5.
Chasing 500 runs when its a target to win is a different story than playing out day 4 and day 5 in a follow-on situation.
Sure, the Indian bowling attack would've been tired. By the same token, with such a big lead England would've been totally demoralized. And India would've been on a high. That psychological advantage would've been enough to make sure that England would not have tried anything ambitious on day 4 or 5. Their goal would've been just to bat it out. Would've been easier to get them out that way, especially with 2 full days left.
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Originally posted by BlueLobster
Chasing 500 runs when its a target to win is a different story than playing out day 4 and day 5 in a follow-on situation.
Sure, the Indian bowling attack would've been tired. By the same token, with such a big lead England would've been totally demoralized. And India would've been on a high. That psychological advantage would've been enough to make sure that England would not have tried anything ambitious on day 4 or 5. Their goal would've been just to bat it out. Would've been easier to get them out that way, especially with 2 full days left.
Chasing is always difficult for any team in the world. If you are saying that if you are chasing 500 runs then its easy compare to batting under follow-on and making 500 runs then I dont buy that story.
Let me give you a good example. Remember Australia vs India series? Australia followed india on. What happened then? India won the match. there would be many example where team been asked to follow on and they batted well and gain decent lead. As I said 160 odd runs is enough to win against india on last day.
England have nothing loose here. So there is no point of demoralization. They would have batted with only one thing in mind, win the match and draw the series. So I dont think there would be any advantage to india. India bowled 20 overs today and could not even take any wicket. What makes you think that tired indian bowlers would have bowled Enland out within 350.
Reason behind not following on the england is to play safe and win the series.
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Originally posted by bouy
Bottom line Indian bowling attack is better than Indian batting under pressure. Indian batting suck big time playing under pressure.
I totally believe this to be the reason. Dravid, time and again, has experienced. He is not to be fooled by BIG names.
He definitely played defensive but I would say wise and with single intension of winning the Series.
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Quote:What phoney-baloney.
Originally posted by bouy
1) If India wins or even manages to draw the match india will win the series. That will be after may be what 50 years, india will win the series against England, in England. Also India can say that they can win Test series overseas and not just india.
India has won test series in England a lot recently than 50 years.
Remember Kapil's Devils in '86?
We won 2-0.
And we didn't win playing defensive cricket - we won playing aggressive, attacking and entertaining cricket.
Quote:Not true.
2) You have to keep in mind that, if you ask other team to follow on, then you should have sharp bowlers, someone like, McGrath, Warne, Murli, Wasim etc. If you are bowling with Zahir, Sree-sath and Kumble then its always advisable to give them some rest as they wont be as effective by bowling 3 days continuous.
If you say, the bowlers are lazy, tired and need to put their feet up, sure, I can agree.
But it's not true that whatever bowling India has wouldn't have been any good even with a 1st innings lead of 320 runs.
What kind of stupid, insipid, spineless, boneheaded captain won't enforce a follow-on with 320 lead runs in first innings.
Even Bangladesh could have forced a follow-on and made a match out of it.
Quote:You know what - as an Indian cricket fan, I would rather have this scenario than the one now.
3) England is not a bad team, Lets assume they made some 400 odd runs in second inning and India have to make 100 runs to win the match. I think Indian team is more vulnerable to lost the match on the last day. (you must have seen today what they did on 4th day)
What we have now is the most cowardly display.
I am ashamed, to say the least.
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So, I think Dravid made the wise decision, specially with, kind of bowling attack we have. India should win the series. Bottom line.
Here's my bottom line - some defeats (in anything) can be honourable and some wins can be shameful.
What we have here is a shameful victory - the team (and the capt.) does NOT deserve this series win.
In the end, the game of cricket lost - not India or England.
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Originally posted by pratickm
What we have here is a shameful victory - the team (and the capt.) does NOT deserve this series win.
If you ask me, Tendulkar does not deserve to be in team but he is still in the team. So it really does not matter who deserves what.
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Quote:I completely agree !
Originally posted by bouy
If you ask me, Tendulkar does not deserve to be in team but he is still in the team. So it really does not matter who deserves what.
He's like a car that will go at 400 mph on the weekend when the road is vacant, but won't even start when you have to get to work at 9:00 in the morning and are already running late.
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Originally posted by pratickm
I completely agree !
He's like a car that will go at 400 mph on the weekend when the road is vacant, but won't even start when you have to get to work at 9:00 in the morning and are already running late.
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