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Maharaj   
Member since: Oct 02
Posts: 1721
Location: Brampton

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 02-01-07 16:24:07

This may not be full information but this is what I could find ...

International Medical Graduates (IMGs)-


Permanent License
Physicians interested in a permanent position in Canada will require full licensure. This will involve, as a minimum, writing The Medical Council of Canada (MCC) licensing exams, and, unless your postgraduate training is "approved and accredited", post graduate training. It is nearly impossible for a foreign trained physician to obtain the additional training required once in Canada, as most post graduate training programs admit only graduates from Canadian medical schools. There are many Canadians who have been trained overseas who have been unable to obtain Canadian post graduate training or a licence.

The requirement for a physician to have completed postgraduate medical training in Canada is an obstacle for IMGs wishing to obtain a full licence. However, provisional licences allow IMGs to practise without passing the Medical Council examinations (and completing the requisite Canadian postgraduate medical training). Thus, many IMGs start their careers in Canada by practising under a provisional licence. The nomenclature for provisional licences varies across provinces, with such licences being called "public service," "restricted," "defined," "conditional," or "temporary."


http://www.srpc.ca/canlocum.html

http://www.cmaj.ca/cgi/content/full/173/11/1315

http://www.imgo.ca/

http://www.imginfo.ca/


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puttoo   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 03-01-07 21:55:09

Well it seems it is getting tough for Candian Doctors to work in India




Red tape derails PIO dentist’s dream of working in India



Himanshi Dhawan | TNN



New Delhi: Exactly a year after PM Manmohan Singh handed over the first overseas citizen of India (OCI) card to NRIs at the Pravasi Bharatiya Diwas-2005, urging Indians abroad to invest and work in India, bureaucratic red tape has put paid to these ambitious plans. Rita Sikka, a young Canadian dentist, is an example of the Indian dream turning sour.
Sikka, a Canadian national of Indian origin, married an Indian in June 2005. She reached India armed with an OCI card hoping to continue her profitable dental practice only to be shunted from one ministry to another, in search of a recognised medical licence that would allow her to practice here.
Incidentally, the health ministry in response to a writ petition filed by Sikka treats her as a foreign citizen. In a letter to her, the health ministry has cited two objections: one, that the Dental Council of India can consider recognition of a foreign dental qualification only if it is held by an Indian citizen.
‘‘It would, therefore, not be possible to register a foreign citizen under the Dentists Act in view of the existing provisions, unless PIOs/OCIs are treated as Indian citizens for the purpose,’’ the ministry letter says.
It also adds that ‘‘adequate safeguards’’ must be taken to regulate the process considering that the ‘‘medical profession is inevitably linked with patient care delivery system and chances of medicolegal complications are not ruled out’’.
Sikka, who earned her degree from University of British Columbia, points out that the OCI scheme promised that the card holders would be treated on par with NRIs. A home ministry notification clearly says that OCIs will be treated on par with NRIs in all ‘‘financial, economic and educational fields except in the acquisition of agricultural or plantation properties’’.
Sikka says, ‘‘If NRIs are allowed to work, why can’t I? I gave up a thriving practice in the hope that I would be able to work here but the past one and a half years have been very demoralising.’’ Sikka, who has a young child now, also feels the financial crunch.
When contacted, ministry of overseas Indian affairs Vayalar Ravi admitted that there were problems for those pursuing the medical profession.
‘‘The health and home ministry are creating some impediments. They are not recognising degrees of medical professionals who come to India. We will be taking up this issue in a high level meeting with both ministries and form a set of comprehensive regulations,’’ he said. The minister added that security concerns had been raised but they were unfounded. ‘‘People will be discouraged to come back,’’ he said.



regar   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 04-01-07 00:25:59

Thats what u call tit for tat
Indian degree holders cant work in canada so i think it is justified if candian degree holder cant work in India.Irrespective of what status they have.
In the past when Uk did not recognise Indian degrees Indian govt did not recofnise British degrees in GOvt sector(definately it is not so with canada just a minor aberratio).



rajand   
Member since: Jun 04
Posts: 601
Location: Baroda, India.

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 04-01-07 00:33:02

ha, ha! Like that. Just read this story in The Times of India.

Regarding the healthcare system in Canada, when we called up our family doctor for a fever my wife was having, we were told by the receptionist to come after 5 days since there was no appointment available before that.

Also in the last one year, in Calgary there have been instances of women having a miscarriage in the emergency room,waiting for a doctor to attend them.


Rgds.

Rajan.


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rajcanada   
Member since: Jul 03
Posts: 2713
Location: Kitchener, ON

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 04-01-07 07:41:27

Quote:
Originally posted by regar

Thats what u call tit for tat
Indian degree holders cant work in canada so i think it is justified if candian degree holder cant work in India.Irrespective of what status they have.
In the past when Uk did not recognise Indian degrees Indian govt did not recofnise British degrees in GOvt sector(definately it is not so with canada just a minor aberratio).



No one benefits from such tit for tat. Just because Canadian system wastes its human resources does not mean India should start doing the same.

You have to be registered as OCI for 5 years and lived in India for a year in those 5 years to be granted Indian citizenship. The above article says Dental Council of India recognizes foreign credentials of a doctor if the doctor is Indian citizen. So, I guess they are only wasting this doctor's time as she can get Indian citizenship and then her degree would be recognized.


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rajcanada   
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Location: Kitchener, ON

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 07-01-07 08:12:48

Looks like they are going to allow OCI doctors to practice in India.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Overseas_Indian_doctors_can_now_practice_in_India_Ravi/articleshow/1084237.cms

NEW DELHI: Union minister for Overseas affairs Vayalar Ravi on Sunday announced that overseas Indian doctors would now be allowed to practise in the medical arena in India.

Announcing this at the 5th Pravasi Bharatiya Diwas at Vigyan Bhawan in the Capital, he said that his ministry would be pursuing this over the next few months.

"I am happy to announce that we are looking at allowing overseas Indian doctors to practice in India," Ravi, said, to a thunderous applause.

The minister also had good tidings for the 90,000-strong overseas Indians who had been blessed with the Overseas Citizenship of India (OCI) cards last year. Overseas Indians who have the OCI card, will now enjoy the parity with non-resident Indians on a inter-country adoption.

They will also share the same privileges as resident Indians in matters of domestic airfares. And for overseas Indians wanting to make a trip to Ranthambhore or Bharatpur Sanctuary Park, the OCI card will prove to be a boon. Overseas Indians will now pay the same amount of entry fess as their Indian counterparts while entering national parks and wildlife sanctuaries.

Last year, India and Belgium had inked a social security agreement, under which Indians working on a short-term contract of upto sixty months are exempted from social contributions in the host country, provided they continue to make social security payments in their home country.

The minister also reiterated that the ministry was looking at replicating the Belgium model with other EU nations like the Netherlands, Norway, France and Sweden where there are a lot of Indian professionals.

"In a globalised world like today's, this agreement would make Indian cos more competitive as exemption from social security contribution cuts down operational costs," he went on to say.

Expressing concerns of exploitation for the 1-million workers who go to the Gulf annually, he further stated that labour protection laws have to be beefed up. An MoU also needs to be pursed with GCC states to create a government to government fast track.

"Last year, we signed a MOU with UAE ion labour and employment which provides specific steps for the protection and welfare of overseas Indian workers. We are looking at singing more MoUs with Kuwait, Bahrain and Malaysia which has a significant number of Indians.


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askatoch   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 19-01-07 00:56:52

This is my personal story which occured in sunnybrook womans hospital in 2004 with my mother in law who was a tourist.
she felt sick in wasaga and was taken to collingwood hospital emergency the doctors attanding admited her and did not know what was the cause of pain in her stomach. They kept her on morphene and saline for 4 days, she became week and unconcious. She was transfered to barry hospital on 4th day for ultrasound and reported normal. we forced the doctor for ct scan as with morphine also she was feeling pain after 2more days she was given an appointment in barry where she was diagnised with growth of some kind in her paritonium around stomach and as they did not have the facility so they had to move her to toronto.
We called india and booked a room in AIMS for her and moved her to sunnybrook thinking that within a day her son shall arive from india to take her as he is a doctor. In sunnybrook the resident doctor placed a nasogastric tube in her nose and placed it in lung insted of sotmach making a hole in her lungs and even with her souts of excessive pain they were saying that the old lady is fussy.
The airlines refused to take her due to the complication and the hospital was also not releasing her we had a tight buget with 50000 in insurance and the cost of stay in hospital was 4000 per day.
As we could not take her back the treatment started hear till her lungs gets repaired. during the treatment the hospital provided her expired medication which the doctor noticed and reported to the nerse who discarde d the bag and after 4 hours the next nurse again started with and expired medication which showed how the system works. My wife was with her mother as she could not speak english due to which she observed it. there might be menny people who do not stay with there relative and might be geting these expired medication.
my motherinlaw got septicemia ie toxicity in blood a few hours after the second bag and in a few days she died. The explanation of the hospital was that there is no relation of an expired medication with her death.
There was no lawer in toronto willing to fight sunnybrook and even after 3 years the hospital is asking 48000 from me after receiving 50000 from the insurance for kiling my mother in law.
I beleave the system works on nurses and not doctor and due to lack of management they make menny blunders causing death.
In my visit to the ward for 3 months I had seen people crying in bed asking for water and a turn in bed or bed pan for hours I have also seen more than 60 people who came after my mother in law and died in the hospital and I surely beleive that there death could be avoided with proper management and care.
My fight with the hospital is not yet over.
I am yet looking for people who were mistreated by the hospital and unite with me to make a single voice which can change the system. Those people who care for the society in which they live and for the benefit of there frends and relative who shall be going to these hospitals in future should stand up and write there stories to me and someday walk to the hospital to show that the people voice has to be listened.
I am looking for further volunteer to join hands so please respond.



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