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This immigration thing started when Labour Union and the HR ministry had argument on minimum wages. Union asked for a high minimum wages which resulted in brain storming among the HR ministry and Capatilist.

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Now, how do they do it without disturbing countries internal forces. They quoted:
* Canada needs skilled people
* Canada needs consumer
* Canada need human producers
* there can be more lilsted reason...but i m interested in these three which narrow down to why skilled people.......(comments invited from reader).

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They structed their immigration law on SKILLED CATEGORY, actualy they needed workers to replace workers of union. It is interesting to know why they chose to get professionals instead of real labour. They thaught that people coming in should be able to communicate with Factory or Industry managers. For that basic requirement was Engish or French. It is tough to find french speaking people in huge volumes, next option was English speaking working class. All of us know that university graduates are able to communcate using English with ease. They started structuring policies on getting university graduates instead of Labours. At this point CIC went wrong actualy they needed labour like Dubai or UAE or Saudi and Canada landed up getting graduates.

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Orginally posted by BlueLobster

According to you, all of us immigrants must be really stupid right? Falling for this trap laid out by the HR ministry. Btw, does your theory ever include the immigrants who came here because they were tired of the daily grind in their homeland? Or is everybody coming here a qualified engineer/doctor who made millions back home and was super-happy but decided to immigrate for the heck of it?

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Very Nicely put down BL
This theme of blaming everything on system has really gone too far on this board.
We know there is a problem in the syetm but how many times do we need to discuss it.
Are we interested in doing a PhD on problem or do we need t find a solution.
I was told CLEARLY, I repeat, CLEARLY, by none other but the canadian High Commisioner in a public meeting, in front of everyone, that situation is grim in Canada.
"They wont give you a job because you dont have Canadian exprience and you wont get expereice because you will not get a job"
How much more clear one can be??
Did that stop me from leaving those grossely overcrowded, filthy Virar trains? Did that make me love those beggar infested beaches of Bombay??
With a board like CD, and with horror stories of immigrants working as pizza delivery guys, how many of new immigrants can remain oblivious to the ground reality??
And finally how many years do people need to see the reality? Within 2-3 weeks of coming here and applying for jobs (and not getting any response or job) doesn't it become abundantly clear to a skilled immigrant that he is not going to find a job easily.
But then how come people are still staying here for several years and at the same time keep on rambling about the unfair system and its problems? How much more clearly they need to be told to set their expectations right?

Wake up folks
If successful folks dont often come to this board, it is because they are too busy minting $$
or became sick of this seneseless canada bashing.

There is no conspiracy or need for canada to get skilled immigrants for their industries (which is shifting to China anyways)
We are given a chance to come and successfully integrate OURSELVES.

lETS TALK ABOUT SOLUTIONS, NOT PROBLEMS and be humble when discussing.

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And finally how many years do people need to see the reality? Within 2-3 weeks of coming here and applying for jobs (and not getting any response or job) doesn't it become abundantly clear to a skilled immigrant that he is not going to find a job easily.
But then how come people are still staying here for several years and at the same time keep on rambling about the unfair system and its problems? How much more clearly they need to be told to set their expectations right?

Wake up folks
If successful folks dont often come to this board, it is because they are too busy minting $$
or became sick of this seneseless canada bashing.

There is no conspiracy or need for canada to get skilled immigrants for their industries (which is shifting to China anyways)
We are given a chance to come and successfully integrate OURSELVES.

lETS TALK ABOUT SOLUTIONS, NOT PROBLEMS and be humble when discussing.

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S'up Wake up desi?
Hope everything is cool all the way around. Chuck the theory and let's get down to the meat of the situation hereunder pasted from a post by you.

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why proffessionals are not recognized....there are 2 issues : what was expected out of immigrant and what immigrant expected from Canada.....

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I am on the committee of a group of people from different nations who have approached the govt on many occasions to better utilize its immigrant human resources here in Canada. Here is my thesis based on several meetings with numerous govt bodies basically at the municipal and provincial levels

The Canadian govt expects from the immigrants nothing more than to beef up its population and its economy. However they had to lay down some guidelines for immigration policies, so they drew up a number of criteria. They figured they’d put down English speaking (pass TOEFL or ESL or whatever is out there) a minimum of a bachelor’s degree etc. etc. to total 70 points and threw it out into the ring to test it. The response initially was low till the word got around and more and more people jumped on the bandwagon to come to the promised land. So much so that they had to increase it to 75 points, saw the apps go down, and scaled it down to 67, whereby there has been a huge surge. Yeah their posters and sites say Canada needs you, come hither. They got what they wanted. They do not see their system as flawed. Believe you me, they don’t, they achieved what they wanted.
However, what the immigrant was promised he hasn’t got. Not everyone gets a job in his/her field like they thought they would. The immigrants’ dreams of getting decent jobs in consonance with their qualifications, even at an entry level, has been shattered. It is unfortunate.
However, there are lawyers employed by some powerful figures in Canada who are doing their homework trying to get the situation rectified. The process is long and might take several years before things are sorted out. In the meantime, the professionals that are urgently needed like doctors, nurses and teachers- their integration is being looked into immediately. Also the need for better language instruction at the LINC centres is also being looked into. This not for SAs but for East Europeans and other nationalities whose command of the English Language despite having passed ESL tests is not up to par. Also targeted instruction is to be introduced(English jargon and slang for engineers, doctors, business people etc). All these are being looked into. However as jago-desi has mentioned another powerful body is looking into legal action against the govt.. How soon this will come to pass is anybody’s guess.
Jago_desi the system is flawed from many immigrants point of view- more than 50 percent do not get jobs in their fields even after 3 years- this is backed by a poll by the way- I have seen the pie chart. They may have jobs in related and unrelated fields but not in their fields. At the moment, the govt isn’t overly concerned about this as their object is served. They need a good thump on their heads to wake (jago) them up and there are bodies at work trying to accomplish this in both a nice manner and not so nice a manner.

Remember the pie chart I saw is a sampling from all immigrants not only SAs. Maybe in the SA community more than 50 percent get jobs in their fields. I don’t know. Please also note the poll was conducted on people who came here on the point system not on the family and sponsorship models.

BKB

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BlueLobster


You want to say that the system is right and the approach of immigrant is wrong.....or you dont know how to go ahead questioning system, as well agree to it!
I want people like you to join this thread, it will prepare me for the goal I want to achieve from this thread............

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Jago_desi,

Would you care to answer a couple of questions I asked, specifically about the timeframe? Or you don't have any answers?

I'll answer yours once you answer mine.

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