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Originally posted by Fido

Were RSS people involved in the Babri Masjid demolition ?

This will answer whether RSS is secular or religion oriented party .

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It was not a single incident but a very major single incident and is comparable to 1984 ...... then perhaps it would be a folly to judge the Sikh divide based on a single event of 1984 ...

The point is - that RSS may be a nation building body or whatever .. but it appears primarily to be servicing Hindu needs & interests .. which does make it a religious oriented body. ........... This accompanied with the VHP & BJP combine perhaps form the Hindu Trinity.

Where was RSS during 1984 riots ? Nowhere I believe ....

Did they try to rehabilitate Gujarat victims after the rampage got over ?

Not one but many happenings would easily reflect whether RSS is religiously bent or not .....

BTW .. Per the Liberhan Commission , constituted by the Govt of India - The Liberhan report has been very critical of mass Hindu organizations,especially the RSS. It says that demolition of Babri in Ayodhya has been a longtime objective of the RSS. It accuses RSS of utilizing its large volunteer base to accomplish this task.

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Originally posted by hchheda


Bottomline is they never indulge in division/separation activities - but if a danger is sensed in their local community - they are willing and ready to protect/help. In some ways it is similar to neighborhood watching committees in Americas - but over a larger geography. To even think to compare them with the likes of ISIS and SIMI is poverty of reasoning/thought.

Disclaimer : I am not a member of RSS or their supporter. However, I do not agree to the malice being spread about them and wish to share my views.

Peace to all.
Hiren

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I read the first para and it says:

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Replying to the felicitation at the Indian Association Lahore, on February 3, 1884, Sir Syed Ahmed the founder of Aligarh University said, "We normally associate the word Nation with Hindus and Mussalmans. In my opinion, the concept of nation is not to be linked with one's religious beliefs because all of us, whether Hindus or Mussalmans, have grown in this soil, enjoy common points of sustenance and prosperity and share common rights. This verily, is the basis for both these our sections in Hindustan to come together under the common name Hindu Nation... The term Hindu should not be identified with the Hindu community. All sections--whether they be Mussalman or Christian -- are Hindu."

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Funny and then they go and demolish a 'Hindu' Babri Masjid and beat their chest about it

By that logic - Tomorrow Umar Gul will also claim that when he was shouting slogans for Kashmir / Pakistan , he was actually doing it for India and Hindus as they are all same .... !!!

From distant things may appear homogenised ( for eg Pakistani cuisine can also be merged into Indian cuisine for a foreigner) but when you get closer , you find the dissimilarities b/w them and refer to them clearly as Indian / Pakistani ...

Similarly when Indians speak of Hindus / Muslims , make no mistake - they are not homogenizing them .. when they say Hindus , they mean Hindus and when they say Muslims they mean Muslims and every body in India knows the difference ( including RSS) .

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Fido.

I believe we are digressing now from the OP. This is not about hindutva ideology about RSS. The reason I posted few things about RSS is not because I support them - it was just to reflect on the biased and negative portrayal of the organisation and its senseless comparison with terrorist organisations. I hope some of you will see the difference between a sangh which is trying to unite against all ideologies and others who are trying to divide and kill based on different ideologies.

Coming back to the OP about separatism at JNU - do we still make Kanhaiya the hero? Was Rohit Vermula (Kanhiya's hero) really a martyr? It is a matter about developing and progress of the country of division based on politics and caste?

I tried to look up the events leading to Rohit Vermula's suicide and really shocked at the twisting of facts and projecting him as victim of caste politics.

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-news-india/dalit-scholar-rohith-vemula-the-student-the-leader/

Up until 2010 everything at university was very secular and comforting to him and then he enters politics - cannot handle the heat/competition, commits suicide and his opponents get blamed? Did he expect sympathy by supporting Yakub Memon? He wanted to be identified and treated differently because of his caste? IS that what needs to be supported to progress? By students who are going to be our future generation to run the nation?

I feel sorry for the loss of his life and the loss to his family. But it is shameful to play politics over it - it was a local matter and should have been left alone.


Peace.

Hiren

I do not support Kanhaiya or the other 2 the least ... They may have personal thoughts or beliefs but the moment they make it public or convey them on a public stage , these thoughts do not remain personal any more and hence subject to public opinion.... ( but pardon me as I have not known a lot about the issue except for the fact that Delhi Police had to do a volte face for admitting to the court that they did not have any video evidence of sloganeering against KK)

And then the latest of the them all ... Shashi Tharoor ( just to create a wave ) compares Kanhaiya to Bhagat Singh .... lol !!!! ...a n extremely educated Idiot !!!

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