Landing Paper of Sponsor requirement for OCI application
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Posted on: 28-04-15 17:45:43
Hello,
My wife is applying for OCI. She came to Canada 25 years ago as a minor back then under family category as she was adopted by her uncle (her dad's brother).
BLS is asking for copy of landing paper and Indian passport of sponsor (her uncle). The uncle is not on speaking terms, so we obviously can't get these documents.
BLS is stating that if we can't get these documents, she should provide a letter from the Refugee Board CIC stating that she had never applied for refugee status. I have searched all over CIC website, but there is no such letter that CIC provides.
On BLS website, there is an email address "atip" AT "irb-cisr.gc.ca", which is for the Immigration & Refugee Board, but they don't issue any such letter either.
Can somebody please provide some guidance regarding this matter?
BLS/CGI have some really strange requirements and they are making things very difficult for applicants.
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Originally posted by kulb
Hello,
My wife is applying for OCI. She came to Canada 25 years ago as a minor back then under family category as she was adopted by her uncle (her dad's brother).
BLS is asking for copy of landing paper and Indian passport of sponsor (her uncle). The uncle is not on speaking terms, so we obviously can't get these documents.
BLS is stating that if we can't get these documents, she should provide a letter from the Refugee Board CIC stating that she had never applied for refugee status. I have searched all over CIC website, but there is no such letter that CIC provides.
On BLS website, there is an email address "atip" AT "irb-cisr.gc.ca", which is for the Immigration & Refugee Board, but they don't issue any such letter either.
Can somebody please provide some guidance regarding this matter?
BLS/CGI have some really strange requirements and they are making things very difficult for applicants.
Not talking about your wife..but in general.
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Some Indians have come here in Canada in the past faslsely claiming refugee status, as that was one of the easiest ways to come here.
They have come here illegally or on a visitor visa/student visa and then claimed refugee status by saying that they were being prosecuted , harrassed & tortured in India . If they are sent back to India, they will be arrested or killed for religious, political , minority reasons etc.
Now that these so called fake refugees are Canadian citizens ..all of a sudden they want OCI ?? Really ??
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Originally posted by adamthorat
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Originally posted by kulb
Hello,
My wife is applying for OCI. She came to Canada 25 years ago as a minor back then under family category as she was adopted by her uncle (her dad's brother).
BLS is asking for copy of landing paper and Indian passport of sponsor (her uncle). The uncle is not on speaking terms, so we obviously can't get these documents.
BLS is stating that if we can't get these documents, she should provide a letter from the Refugee Board CIC stating that she had never applied for refugee status. I have searched all over CIC website, but there is no such letter that CIC provides.
On BLS website, there is an email address "atip" AT "irb-cisr.gc.ca", which is for the Immigration & Refugee Board, but they don't issue any such letter either.
Can somebody please provide some guidance regarding this matter?
BLS/CGI have some really strange requirements and they are making things very difficult for applicants.
Not talking about your wife..but in general.
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Some Indians have come here in Canada in the past faslsely claiming refugee status, as that was one of the easiest ways to come here.
They have come here illegally or on a visitor visa/student visa and then claimed refugee status by saying that they were being prosecuted , harrassed & tortured in India . If they are sent back to India, they will be arrested or killed for religious, political , minority reasons etc.
Now that these so called fake refugees are Canadian citizens ..all of a sudden they want OCI ?? Really ??
I was completely expecting such a response even though I know you are not referring to my situation.
My wife was a minor when she was adopted and that is what her landing paper shows, so she did not come to Canada on any flimsy grounds (refugee, etc) nor did her uncle (he came through the regular economic immigration route).
Anyway, I am looking for some specific guidance as to how we can satisfy the landing paper requirement if anyone can provide any info.
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I was completely expecting such a response even though I know you are not referring to my situation.
My wife was a minor when she was adopted and that is what her landing paper shows, so she did not come to Canada on any flimsy grounds (refugee, etc) nor did her uncle (he came through the regular economic immigration route).
Anyway, I am looking for some specific guidance as to how we can satisfy the landing paper requirement if anyone can provide any info.
I know she didn't come on a filmsy ground. i was responding to why BLS/CGI has such strange requests, bcoz some of our own people have tarnished India's image abroad by claiming fake refugee status and saying all sorts of things about India, and now want to use India again by taking OCI.
Anyways don't know about uncle's Indian PP, but your wife can obtain any copy of her CANADIAN immigration document ..landing paper or something else by filling the forms below with the Canadian gov.
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/applications/certcopy.asp
Getting any Indian documents is a whole different story and nightmare.
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Originally posted by adamthorat
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I was completely expecting such a response even though I know you are not referring to my situation.
My wife was a minor when she was adopted and that is what her landing paper shows, so she did not come to Canada on any flimsy grounds (refugee, etc) nor did her uncle (he came through the regular economic immigration route).
Anyway, I am looking for some specific guidance as to how we can satisfy the landing paper requirement if anyone can provide any info.
I know she didn't come on a filmsy ground. i was responding to why BLS/CGI has such strange requests, bcoz some of our own people have tarnished India's image abroad by claiming fake refugee status and saying all sorts of things about India, and now want to use India again by taking OCI.
Anyways don't know about uncle's Indian PP, but your wife can obtain any copy of her CANADIAN immigration document ..landing paper or something else by filling the forms below with the Canadian gov.
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/applications/certcopy.asp
Getting any Indian documents is a whole different story and nightmare.
My wife does have her own landing paper in her possession which show immigration category FC9 (adopted child).
What BLS wants is copy of her uncle's landing paper that we can't obtain at the moment.
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Originally posted by kulb
Hello,
My wife is applying for OCI. She came to Canada 25 years ago as a minor back then under family category as she was adopted by her uncle (her dad's brother).
BLS is asking for copy of landing paper and Indian passport of sponsor (her uncle). The uncle is not on speaking terms, so we obviously can't get these documents.
BLS is stating that if we can't get these documents, she should provide a letter from the Refugee Board CIC stating that she had never applied for refugee status. I have searched all over CIC website, but there is no such letter that CIC provides.
On BLS website, there is an email address "atip" AT "irb-cisr.gc.ca", which is for the Immigration & Refugee Board, but they don't issue any such letter either.
Can somebody please provide some guidance regarding this matter?
BLS/CGI have some really strange requirements and they are making things very difficult for applicants.
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Indin Government has to verify most of the documents prior to granting of O.C.I. card and it is a requirement that is called for. They will have to cover their behinds at all costs.
Also the Canadian Immigration is based upon the ACT on Immigration of Refugees. If it is based upon their claims and processing, we can do nothing about it. Just got to live with it.
I am glad to see that she has her own LANDING PAPERS. That is a very good starting point. Now get all of the papers she has on her and make multiple copies of each, as everyone will be asking for them. Please read on...
I will provide you here a few links which you should first explore thoroughly, just to get to know who else helped her Uncle to adopt her and bring her here. When you find out the location that processed her papers also where her uncle got help, you will have a location to call or visit and from them obtain all or most of your requirement from them, in this case, your wife's details and they will ask her to make an appointment with them and drop in. At that location they have only a little bit of leeway to provide you with very little information as regards your uncle, but will be sufficient enough to help you get an affidavit saying that you do not have the access to such documents. For legal purposes, that is sufficient enough to generate an affidavit which will link the adoption papers that were submitted to the Indian Government end by your wife's uncle and all of the details that they are looking for. These legal documents are maintained for a very long period of time. Also, they might release them to her all of the details in the future at a time it becomes an item in the public archive. For the current, only a miniscule amount of information will be released to her on a need to know basis. That will be sufficient for now to generate an affidavit.
Later on, after a period of twenty five years from now, all of the details as to when and where she landed and who brought her here into Canada can be obtained with the same landing papers that she has on her now. Please find the route to obtain them from them when you are sitting in front of them.
Also, if perchance her uncle has obtained a PIO/OCI card, then she can quote that they have obtained such a card from the Indian Government. Maybe they can do the search at the Indian end together with the affidavit that she will be submitting with her OCI application and link his Passport to it.
Hope this helps.
FH.
http://www.focusonthefamily.ca/lapa/wtb/explore-adoption/?gclid=CIO62YLXm8UCFQetaQodO0YABQ
http://www.canadaadopts.com/adopting-in-canada/adoption-support-groups/
http://www.ontario.ca/government/search-adoption-records
http://www.originscanada.org/adoption-records/by-province/ontario-adoption-records/
https://www.mcf.gov.bc.ca/adoption/step_par.htm
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PAST IS HISTORY, FUTURE IS MYSTERY, and THE CURRENT IS A PRESENT. "Here is one to you" !!
Many an adoptee had their own rights to assets and properties in their place of birth and in this case in India and it was a legacy that would have been left for the child and to his or her future. This asset normally gets handled or taken over in an administrative capacity by an executor and gets managed thereafter till such a time the adoptee becomes a MAJOR and the assets get transferred over to them 'in toto' or in trickles, as the case may be, which would have been stated in their Parents will.
If such a will does exist, or did exist and if it could be unearthed, then the whole adoption process will come to light and there is a possibility your wife might inherit a good chunk of money from her Father's Estate. If this Estate was either taken over in an administrative capacity for management and if it either got transferred, sold or then liquidated either as management expenses or as administrative charges and currently stands at a NIL balance, the Administrator, who is her Paternal uncle here in Canada, would not like to relate such matters to her and currently might want to stay in a state of incommunicado and maintain silence to avoid questioning about it.
All of these are my conjectures and her Uncle currently wanting to stay aloof or 'not on talking terms' might well explain the situation that he currently is in and refusing her access to his personal documents in obtaining her O.C.I.
But there is a recourse to this. Here is a small hint to provide you with and to get started in her long journey to prosperity. The Landing papers that her Uncle signed will have his signature and so also the Adoption Papers that are currently with the Adoption Society and if not a closed adoption, will be available to her. If perchance it is a closed one, then, a lawyer can re-open them through a court order and unearth the whole sordid affair and help her partially from this end and you both might have to retain the services of an able lawyer where such assets and properties then existed to find out the quantum of such sale proceeds or of the transfer that happened at the Indian end.
Once again, all of these are my conjectures, and on the contrary, might evolve to be true, once she lands there in India at that location and makes an inquiry about such a scenario. If it is TRUE, when all of the complicated scenario gets untangled and the case gets settled, then she will be RICH. Your approach to this CD website and my response to it should get you started onto a path of richness and prosperity.
With an OCI she can stay there as long as she wants to. If not, she can obtain a Five year Visa and stay there in India Six months at a time and delve a little deeper into it at that end first, to confirm my suspicions and get to know all of the facts about her ancestry and also about any will if there was one.
I would like to take this opportunity in wishing you both all the best and Good Luck and all the success to you in the future.
Now get hammer and tongs with it.
FH.
Just throw in a small percentage of the proceeds from the movie rights if and when a movie gets done. (Or you now have a plot to write one.) Thanks. fh.
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