Attack on Indian student in AUSTRALIA
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Posted on: 12-06-09 09:28:27
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Originally posted by Iknownothing
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Originally posted by web2000
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Originally posted by Iknownothing
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Originally posted by web2000
Try to differentiate between immigration visa and student visa, then come back.
As long as student visa is not convertible to immigration visa then who cares. Student will study at his/her own expenses and will not tamper the rights of the citizens which is unfortunately not happening.
If they want to become immigrant, then they should be allowed to apply outside of the country and must leave the country first.
And why exactly do you think that changing from one legal status to another while being in the country should not be allowed?
To avoid any kind of misuse.
How is it a misuse? They came to the country legally, maintained their status and then moved on to a different visa status.
Sorry, You won't understand it.
When anybody applies for a visitor visa to country like Canada, his/her visa is refused on the grounds that u will not return back even if he has done everthing legally(providing proof of enough funds etc. etc..). This is just because of the reasons I mentioned above.
Imagine that if visa status is not allowed to be changed, then as I mentioned only 1% people will come for study. This proves that they already had something diff. in mind.
I agree. Come to think of it, student visa and immigration, the intent is opposite of each other. When you apply for a student visa, you have to show ties with your home country and that you will return after finishing your studies, otherwise you may lose your status Whereas when you apply for immigration, you don't. You promise that you will stay for so and so period in that foreign country and intend to make it your home, otherwise you will lose your status. See the difference?
If one is forced to leave the country and apply from there to switch the status, it will be a lot easier to avoid the complications immigration systems in US, Canada and Australia are facing today. Immigration system in these countries is a mess today just because of the existing rules.
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Originally posted by web2000
Try to differentiate between immigration visa and student visa, then come back.
As long as student visa is not convertible to immigration visa then who cares. Student will study at his/her own expenses and will not tamper the rights of the citizens which is unfortunately not happening.
If they want to become immigrant, then they should be allowed to apply outside of the country and must leave the country first.
1) Yes, the intention for student and immigration visas is different - but in Australia it is implemented in a different way.
There are several catergories of visa for example, Skilled – Independent (Residence) Visa (Subclass 885).
To summarize, these visa's allow you to get PR in Australia after studying their.
The advantage is you don't have to leave the country and get work experience. So the students are not "misusing" it anyway.
It is perfectly legitimate with Australian immigration law to go from one visa category to another.
Australia wants this kind of immigration, since employers will have confidence in the skill set of potential immigrants (hence, no need for Australian education i.e. skills assessment etc - note the difference whereas here we need to go to WES)
2) Australia, Canada and USA have different immigration schemes & challenges. So the complications are unique for each of them.
In USA, the main issue is 11m illegal immigrants – 80% of them Mexicans (these are rough figures). Bush tried to reform – but not enough support from Congress.
In Canada, the immigration system was not target to the needs of the country (until recent reforms last year – model of the Australian Occupation Demand List).
Skilled Immigrants are allowed in whereas most of the jobs are labor related in demand. Government painting the wrong picture (in short)
In Australia, main issue seems to be that the substantial local population doesn’t feel comfortable with non white immigrants.
Quote:Originally posted by Iknownothing
Quote:Originally posted by web2000
Quote:Originally posted by Iknownothing
Quote:Originally posted by web2000
Try to differentiate between immigration visa and student visa, then come back.
As long as student visa is not convertible to immigration visa then who cares. Student will study at his/her own expenses and will not tamper the rights of the citizens which is unfortunately not happening.
If they want to become immigrant, then they should be allowed to apply outside of the country and must leave the country first.
And why exactly do you think that changing from one legal status to another while being in the country should not be allowed?
To avoid any kind of misuse.
How is it a misuse? They came to the country legally, maintained their status and then moved on to a different visa status.
Sorry, You won't understand it.
When anybody applies for a visitor visa to country like Canada, his/her visa is refused on the grounds that u will not return back even if he has done everthing legally(providing proof of enough funds etc. etc..). This is just because of the reasons I mentioned above.
Imagine that if visa status is not allowed to be changed, then as I mentioned only 1% people will come for study. This proves that they already had something diff. in mind.
