Prime Minister Stephen Harper's Speech


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ramar2005   
Member since: Sep 04
Posts: 1233
Location: India.

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 22-05-06 08:19:05

The following is part of the news item of the PM's speech. Will he really mean what he says? Or the reader should take it that "All days are not Sundays".
Canada relaxes norms to make immigration easier
Foreign nationals to be provided more job opportunities
The Hindu, Sunday, May 14, 2006
Ottawa:
Canadian Prime Minister on Friday announced new immigration plans that include reducing the immigration landing fee and making it easier for newcomers to find employment.
Speaking to an audience of new Canadians in Mississauga, Ontario province, Mr. Harper promised to follow up on his election pledge to slash the right of landing of permanent residence fee from 975$ to 490$.
Mr. Harper also announced an extra $300 million in settlement funding over 2 years, which will include the setting up of an agency to assess and recognise foreign credentials aimed at providing newcomers with more job opportunities. “Everybody wins when newcomers bring their skills and values to this country… we need to make sure newcomers’ skills, training and expertise are recognised and rewarded” Mr. Harper said.
Can the the highly educated and motivated members of the forum enlighten us


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Nightmare   
Member since: Apr 06
Posts: 1170
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 22-05-06 09:47:12

Quote:
Originally posted by ramar2005

The following is part of the news item of the PM's speech. Will he really mean what he says? Or the reader should take it that "All days are not Sundays".
Canada relaxes norms to make immigration easier
Foreign nationals to be provided more job opportunities
The Hindu, Sunday, May 14, 2006
Ottawa:
Canadian Prime Minister on Friday announced new immigration plans that include reducing the immigration landing fee and making it easier for newcomers to find employment.
Speaking to an audience of new Canadians in Mississauga, Ontario province, Mr. Harper promised to follow up on his election pledge to slash the right of landing of permanent residence fee from 975$ to 490$.
Mr. Harper also announced an extra $300 million in settlement funding over 2 years, which will include the setting up of an agency to assess and recognise foreign credentials aimed at providing newcomers with more job opportunities. “Everybody wins when newcomers bring their skills and values to this country… we need to make sure newcomers’ skills, training and expertise are recognised and rewarded” Mr. Harper said.
Can the the highly educated and motivated members of the forum enlighten us




How can you ever believe a politician?

In Canada, all the professions are controlled by their respective associations and they ensure that entry to profession is restricted and strictly regulated. While there is nothing wrong with this, the barriers they have put are really ridiculous and a foreigner will be hardly in position to gain professional credential in Canada. I am an accountant and CGA which was open to entry of foreign accountants. Due to this openness, now CGA's existence has been thretened. It is very difficult to explain here but I would advise you to explore CGA website and you would learn about the same. The same politicians have joined hands to finish CGA existence because they know that it was competing with other associations and CGA has highest number of foreign accountants as their members. Now they have practically derecognized the CGA designation. I have never trusted what politicians say, be i in Canada or India.

You are welcome to Canada, be humiliated and if you are fortunate and maintain your sanity,probably your kids may make it and be part of "success story" as posted on another thread on this site inspiring many other potential immigrants to join.

On the other hand, with Sonia and Marxists in power, you would be better off in Canada.

Best of luck



crenshaw   
Member since: Sep 04
Posts: 914
Location: Toronto

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 22-05-06 17:12:10

Quote:
Originally posted by Nightmare
While there is nothing wrong with this, the barriers they have put are really ridiculous and a foreigner will be hardly in position to gain professional credential in Canada.



.........and yet there are thousands who have!

Quote:
Originally posted by Nightmare
I am an accountant and CGA which was open to entry of foreign accountants. Due to this openness, now CGA's existence has been thretened. It is very difficult to explain here but I would advise you to explore CGA website and you would learn about the same. (snip)



Not sure how the CGA designation is being ‘threatened’ (the correct spelling). Would you care to elaborate?

Was something that you were allowed to do in the past ‘taken away’ from you?

BTW, there are probably a few thousand desis that are CA's (the association that you were seeking 'parity' with).

Quote:
Originally posted by Nightmare
Now they have practically derecognized the CGA designation.



How has the CGA designation been 'derecognized'???

Replying to the OP though, every regulated profession, does indeed have strict entry requirements and safeguards. If you are a professional with years of work experience, adapting to any standards relevant to Canada, appearing at the examinations, and meeting the entry requirement, should hardly be an issue. Irrespective of any money that the government commits, regulated professions will continue to have their entry barriers.



Ash20   
Member since: Apr 06
Posts: 443
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 22-05-06 18:00:43

The news item mentioned is a just a regular news and nothing is expected to change in near future.

I am not sure about CA or CGA, but many CA/CGA's are under employed here (I know personally). But at least for engineering designation/license (Professional Engg), you have to give some exams, etc. and you need to have atleast one year CANADIAN EXPERIENCE in your field to get the license. So, even if you pass all the exams, if you don't have CANADIAN EXPERIENCE in your field, you cannot get professional engineering designation. But I would also like to add that you don't need this designation for many-many jobs, if you can get.

Same is true for doctors (may be there situation is worse atleast in BC), as they also need residency after passing the exams. Similar situation I was reading about veterinarians, but don't remember details.





Nightmare   
Member since: Apr 06
Posts: 1170
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 22-05-06 23:08:51

Quote:
Originally posted by crenshaw

Quote:
Originally posted by Nightmare
While there is nothing wrong with this, the barriers they have put are really ridiculous and a foreigner will be hardly in position to gain professional credential in Canada.



.........and yet there are thousands who have!

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I do not know whether crenshaw knows his maths nd logic. Apparently he is god as proof reader finding spelling mistakes. How has he arrived at "thousands" with professional credentials? My own experience with CD professionals is that RELATIVELY very few get to be disignated. The question is how many of the professionals from India get designated as professional in Canada. I have clearly stated that while it is not an impossible task, the barriers are ridiculous. Just look at CA profession's requirement. I can not discuss all the finer points here but one has to browse the site and try meeting those requirements to realize the barriers are just to keep immigrants out
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Quote:
Originally posted by Nightmare
I am an accountant and CGA which was open to entry of foreign accountants. Due to this openness, now CGA's existence has been thretened. It is very difficult to explain here but I would advise you to explore CGA website and you would learn about the same. (snip)



Originally posted by crenshaw
Not sure how the CGA designation is being ‘threatened’ (the correct spelling). Would you care to elaborate?

Was something that you were allowed to do in the past ‘taken away’ from you?

BTW, there are probably a few thousand desis that are CA's (the association that you were seeking 'parity' with).
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Aha! there goes Crenshaw again. The proof reader does not want to take pain to get himself acquainted with facts. He sees posting by Nightmare and gets in to attack mode. Like I have goadd beehive, he starts stinging. Well Cren, YES CGA HAVE BEEN DISBARRED from certain privileges which they enjoyed till now under new bill. The funniest part was that when the bill was introduced, the pre amble clearly stated that its intention was to put CGA at PAR with CAs but the provisions that were subsequently introduced effectively took away the privileges of CGA. This is truely Canadian way of doing things. They bleed you to death slowly while mouthing sympathy for the dying. Well, do not ask me again which privileges were taken away. Do not be lazy just go to CGA website and google. You will know that ntire CGA community is distraught and venting their anguish by appealing to Premier and MPP so that at least they can have their privileges under old Act.

AND Crenshaw, again your maths is poor. There are "probably" not thousands of CAs. Yes there are many CAs but most of them are immigrants but second generation young guys. We are discussing in context of a question posted by a prospective CD immigrant and ny reply was specifically in that context only. So do not start counting heads. Be smart. Count only CDs who came on immigration.
Quote:
Originally posted by Nightmare
Now they have practically derecognized the CGA designation.



How has the CGA designation been 'derecognized'???

Replying to the OP though, every regulated profession, does indeed have strict entry requirements and safeguards. If you are a professional with years of work experience, adapting to any standards relevant to Canada, appearing at the examinations, and meeting the entry requirement, should hardly be an issue. Irrespective of any money that the government commits, regulated professions will continue to have their entry barriers.


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Probably the last couple of sentences in Crenshaw are relevant to the original question. I quote them again.

"Irrespective of any money that the government commits, regulated professions will continue to have their entry barriers"

So before migrating to Canada, please carefully study those barriers. My advice is that whenever you find that you have to obtain "Canadain experience" under some professional, you would find it very difficult to fulfill those requirements unless you are extremly smart, networked and lucky.

I know there are large number of CGA who are members of CD website. Unfortunately very few ever bother to reply. I wish that at least few of them respond in one line so at least Crenshaw kind of people, who express their skepticism do not misguide prospective immigrants.

Lastly, I would really appreciate that our proof reader friend Crenshaw lists my spelling mistakes !



maple_asian   
Member since: May 04
Posts: 272
Location: Toronto

Post ID: #PID Posted on: 22-05-06 23:13:15

Quote:
Originally posted by Nightmare

On the other hand, with Sonia and Marxists in power, you would be better off in Canada.




That depends on who you are. If you from one from those poor upper caste families. But if you are from a caste that has reservations then you are probably better off in India.

By the way, before some people start attacking me - let me be clear, though I am from one of those castes that do not have reservation, I do agree there was a lot of injustice done for the past 2000 years or more for the lower castes. However i do not think reservation would help correct the mistakes. The better way is to implement scholarships and other financial assisstance for poor people of all castes to give them equal opportunity to study and compete with the students from richer sections of the society.


Nightmare   
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Post ID: #PID Posted on: 23-05-06 00:45:32

Quote:
Originally posted by maple_asian

Quote:
Originally posted by Nightmare

On the other hand, with Sonia and Marxists in power, you would be better off in Canada.




That depends on who you are. If you from one from those poor upper caste families. But if you are from a caste that has reservations then you are probably better off in India.

By the way, before some people start attacking me - let me be clear, though I am from one of those castes that do not have reservation, I do agree there was a lot of injustice done for the past 2000 years or more for the lower castes. However i do not think reservation would help correct the mistakes. The better way is to implement scholarships and other financial assisstance for poor people of all castes to give them equal opportunity to study and compete with the students from richer sections of the society.



No. It does not depend on who you are. Even if some one is from OBC/SC/ST, reservation is not going to help.

But with Sonia and Marxist, the problem is lack of commitment to India. The policies they have are designed to weaken India, divide its people on Caste/ Religion and do long term harm to India. I believe that in 10 years we would consider our self to be lucky being in Canada unless people through this garbage in trash.




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